Listen to what Colin Cowherd says about Stafford...interesting

[TheLARamGuy]

OK, so I'm not trashing Stafford after 4 games, don't get me wrong...but, listen to what Colin has to say about Stafford makes a lot of sense. How could Stafford have had such a terrible game? He is a veteran, lots of experience. He is surrounded by major weapons..maybe Stafford isn't that guy? Like I said, it's too soon to write him off, but yesterday's game didn't make me feel so great about the future. He actually looked like Goff yesterday. McVay should be a little worried.

[UK Rams Fan]

Last week after 3 solid outings he's the saviour, this week after an off day against a very good team, he's not.

Do we all have perfect days at our places of work folks?

[D-GenerationX]

We can't let yesterday overshadow his first 3 games, which were great.

But we can't just blow it off either. This is part of the Matt Stafford Experience and has been for 15 years. Will absolutely wow you with his arm talent. But will absolutely not be the guy in a big spot when you need him a lot of times.

He was awesome against Tampa, can't take that away. But he was not sharp yesterday, and that was a game you needed with a short week road game against our biggest rival on tap.

[TheLARamGuy]

Here is a wonder if for you to think about...wonder if the Rams only win 10 games this season. Do you think McVay's job will be on the line? Because he has bet the farm on Stafford. If Stafford doesn't pan out, McVay should start looking over his shoulder. LA is a very different market than almost any other place in the NFL. Stafford has to look good this Thursday or the heat just got turned up to 11

[D-GenerationX]

Here is a wonder if for you to think about...wonder if the Rams only win 10 games this season. Do you think McVay's job will be on the line? Because he has bet the farm on Stafford. If Stafford doesn't pan out, McVay should start looking over his shoulder. LA is a very different market than almost any other place in the NFL. Stafford has to look good this Thursday or the heat just got turned up to 11

I think it's a problem.

If they win 10 games, lose in the second round of the playoffs again...then what was all this for, hmm??

[toast49]

Stafford was very off yesterday, but that's part of the Stafford experience and a good reason he's never won a playoff game. He was missing easy throws a QB in the NFL needs to make and that's been the book on him for over a decade.

[TheLARamGuy]

Toast49 you are exactly correct.

[Rammo]

Well-what's the deal then? Does he party too much? Bi-polar? How can a QB be great one week then suck the next? Goff always sucked when pressured but apparently you guys are saying Stafford is inconsistent right?

[TheLARamGuy]

Rammo, well what I'm saying is maybe Stafford isn't that guy. Like Colin said maybe he is just an average QB that has great moments. So, I'm not trashing Stafford, but McVay bet the farm on him. Was that a good decision? Do you want a QB that can win 10 or 11 games and then buckle in the play offs? For someone with Stafford's years and experience in the NFL he threw a lot of really bad passes yesterday. Those are on him.

[therealheadslap75]

All of you know I'm not the guy who is afraid of questioning Rams management and I like Colin, but he is a master salesman, he can make a lot of things sound good. With that being said, Goff is 0-4, he's not on pace to go 5-12, Stafford is on pace to go 12-4.

As bad as Stafford played yesterday vs AZ, it was not a case of him letting down our vaunted number one defense, our vaunted number one defense was horrible and let up almost 500yds again.

Stafford missed throws and threw a pic but that pick was like a really good punt, not the JG16 pick six we've seen the last few years. Stafford certainly had a very mediocre day throwing the ball and McVay had more than a mediocre day calling the plays, but again Stafford was masterful in the pocket, how many sacks would Goff had taken yesterday? The offense played good enough to eeeck out a win, minus the Sony special.

26/41 2tds 1int
does that look like a disastrous game? Not a player of the week numbers but we've won with worse when the d played ok.

I believe we were outcoached on the defensive side of the ball big time, other than JR5, how many plays were made by DB's? Did we cover well? Did we tackle well, were we out of position on running play after running play? Other than Floyd, did we get typical pressure? VS a hurting OL!!! Did our DB's get crushed on running plays? Did we contain? how many 3 and outs? They had a better than 10 minute time of possession advantage. I love AD99, none better, but he didn't bring it yesterday.

Stafford has to bounce back, no doubt, if he does this again I'll be the first to call him out

[ocram23]

let's be honest here the rams had a great year last year. their D was unreal. Part of LV's over/under is due to the fact they didn't think their defense was going to be that good due to the departures of key players. Add the fact you are bringing in Stafford whose record is horrific this doesn't surprise me. early in the year so let's cool our jets and see how they bounce back this week.

I would be more concerned with the D than Stafford

[harkin]

lol

[CierraRam]

Look, it was a bad game by the TEAM end of story. It happens. And it happened against a team that could be a force to deal with in the end. So be it! For the Rams it's one more game on film to look at for the next meeting against the Cardinals....

As for Stafford... For me it's really simple as to the solution... He has three other very capable receivers and a solid TE to throw the ball to. The Cards had double coverage and blanket coverage on Kupp and still Stafford targeted him 13 times according to game stats. That's the bad game from Stafford. And I can almost promise you it's not gonna happen again on Thursday and a lot more rarely going forward.

[Cornell29]

Is Colin saying that elite qbs don't have bad games? A bad game after being the offensive player of the week 2 of the last 3 weeks? Nearly every elite qb this year had a bad game, and even the Great Kurt Warner had one or two a year.

[Cornell29]

Its just crazy

Stafford had 2 elite weeks, 1 very good week and 1 mediocre week and Colin now says he may not be the answer. Makes no sense.

[harkin]

Not sure why anyone takes this idiot seriously. Him and Bayless can get lost on an island somewhere.

Cowherd admitted years ago that the views he expresses have nothing to do with how he really feels and are meant to get people involved enough to talk about his show and/or call in and argue with him, which generates more word-of-mouth.

It’s like his audience-building plan.

[Commish]

That's the bad game from Stafford. And I can almost promise you it's not gonna happen again on Thursday and a lot more rarely going forward.

Can you promise that some of our team's defenders might tackle Russell Wilson occasionally on Thursday, as opposed to letting him run wild like Kyler Murray did?

Matthew Stafford's NFL career has been as an above-average-to-good QB, yet hardly any kind of superstar. He's an 'upgrade' over the 2019-20 version of Jared Goff, however possibly not enough of one to compensate for the Rams' seeming defensive collapse this year, which is currently reminding me of their 2000 season.

Stafford's fast start in September may have increased the somewhat unrealistic expectations which fans of the Good Guys have had for him, I'm figuring... ;) 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Commish]

While I'm hardly in agreement with Colin Cowherd all that often, I do accept his point about how underrated QB Derek Carr has been with the rather dysfunctional Raiders.

I certainly wouldn't have minded, had the Rams acquired Carr during the offseason this year... ;) 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[harkin]

I do accept his point about how underrated QB Derek Carr has been with the rather dysfunctional Raiders.

Right before he snapped his twig I thought he was on the threshold of being an elite NFL QB. His mic’d up stuff at that time was showing a real leader.

After that, he really took a step back, consistency-wise but maybe he’s finally back to that level.

[RAMFAN71]

Stafford made some mistakes and looked human yes. But I actually didn't think he looked THAT bad. Not like the games Goff would toss 3 ints and fumble 2 or 3 times. He had 1 pick on a late floater, and missed a few throws/forced a few dumb throws. But not a horrid display. Cards had a good D and guys were just not open. Not enough run game once we fell behind.

[RicoRamFan]

Stafford didn't throw a pick-6 (or 2) like Goof would have (and did).
This loss was on the defense.

[CierraRam]

That's the bad game from Stafford. And I can almost promise you it's not gonna happen again on Thursday and a lot more rarely going forward.

Can you promise that some of our team's defenders might tackle Russell Wilson occasionally on Thursday, as opposed to letting him run wild like Kyler Murray did?

Matthew Stafford's NFL career has been as an above-average-to-good QB, yet hardly any kind of superstar. He's an 'upgrade' over the 2019-20 version of Jared Goff, however possibly not enough of one to compensate for the Rams' seeming defensive collapse this year, which is currently reminding me of their 2000 season.

Stafford's fast start in September may have increased the somewhat unrealistic expectations which fans of the Good Guys have had for him, I'm figuring... ;) 8-) :idea:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

This is about Stafford, not the defense which I agree is a little worrisome against fleet of foot Qb's. That said, Russell Wilson is a little bit easier of a task in that arena and I expect they'll be able to contain him a lot better than the showing against Murray. And bare in mind that this was the first time that the Ram defense faced Murray when he was not hobbled. There is that too.

[Cornell29]

Stafford made some mistakes and looked human yes. But I actually didn't think he looked THAT bad. Not like the games Goff would toss 3 ints and fumble 2 or 3 times. He had 1 pick on a late floater, and missed a few throws/forced a few dumb throws. But not a horrid display. Cards had a good D and guys were just not open. Not enough run game once we fell behind.

A bad game for Stafford is missing a few wide open wrs and throwing a int while throwing 2 tds and still having a solid air yard amount..

A bad game for Goff is 3 turnovers (a mix of fumbles and ints) dink and dunk yardage and a td.

Yes, Stafford bad games are not on the same level as Goffs.

Since the rams had to give up Goff and multiple 1st rounders the higher criteria is expected.

Let's not forget Stafford had two elite games and a very good game going into today.

Goff would have a very good game and then a avg one and then a bad one. Which made many so critical of the bad one bc he wasn't mixing in enough very good and elite level games.

[RGtheFirst]

I think everyone is missing the fact that the Cards have built a team to beat us…
That was their off season goal,build a team to beat the Rams.
They came in and shut us up…

Period…

Stafford, Kupp, Higs, Woods, all were off… Hendo looked good, he is a tuff back…

Coach at times is a miff…

[Claremontram]

I think our vaunted Defense own 50% of the variance in our loss. Poor tackling, combined with Long in coverage was problematic.

Yes, Staff was not his accurate self, coupled with a number of drops by WRs.

Let's see how resilient this team is; do they bounce back, or do they start sulking?

I still believe the best way to stop Wilson is to spy him; why not assign Rapp this duty?

[Claremontram]

I think our vaunted Defense own 50% of the variance in our loss. Poor tackling, combined with Long in coverage was problematic.

Yes, Staff was not his accurate self, coupled with a number of drops by WRs.

Let's see how resilient this team is; do they bounce back, or do they start sulking?

I still believe the best way to stop Wilson is to spy him; why not assign Rapp this duty?

[Rampager66]

Stafford made some mistakes and looked human yes. But I actually didn't think he looked THAT bad. Not like the games Goff would toss 3 ints and fumble 2 or 3 times. He had 1 pick on a late floater, and missed a few throws/forced a few dumb throws. But not a horrid display. Cards had a good D and guys were just not open. Not enough run game once we fell behind.

I agree Staff didn't look as bad as some think. He made 2 or 3 plays with his feet that I'm sure Kyler was impressed with, his numbers aren't that bad but....He was also saved a 2nd pick by a flag against the Cards and failed to connect with Kupp on 8 of 13 targets which tells me he was forcing it into places where they were waiting for it or his throws were off.
I'll take it if that was as bad a game as were going to see from him. 20 points is enough to win but not when your D can't contribute.
This loss IMO is completely on them..... and they will be responsible for more losses real soon, if something isn't done about the soft zones...

[ocram23]

it is funny that people on this forum are blaming Stafford for the loss. Sure he didn't play that great but IMO this loss was on the defense and McVay. I am very concerned about this defense and was very outspoken about the key losses in the offseason. A lot of people in here think just because we have AD and Jalen we will be fine. I think everyone realizes football is a team game and I think we are seeing when the rest of the D isn't playing well this is what happens.

[Ants]

lol

LOL is right!

I love it when we posters find history and how back and forth these guys can get. I like Collin, but he just shows to work and reads a script. He's changed a lot. This is common for these guys to get stuck in the mud and contradict themselves, whatever brings the most clicks is where its at.

Unfortunately.

He does a weekly segment called "where Colin was right - where Colin was wrong"...so he actually admits when he makes mistakes.

[harkin]

He does a weekly segment called "where Colin was right - where Colin was wrong"...so he actually admits when he makes mistakes.

He had every opportunity in this segment about Vegas being Stafford doubters and how Stafford has never been ‘transformative’ to reference his take one week earlier on how perfect the Rams were with him, and yet he chose not to.