Why does Everyone hate Reeder?

[Slickjack]

Everyone wants to accentuate his mistakes, but he has made a ton of great plays for a second year (I believe) guy.

[NorCal RF]

Extremely inconsistent……..

He is a solid ST player on a team with better ILB……..

[CierraRam]

Extremely inconsistent……..

He is a solid ST player on a team with better ILB……..

In today's NFL for sure. In yesterday's NFL Reeder would be upper echelon. He's smart, just not fluid or athletic enough to be a consistent playmaker. He makes plays when he's not forced into an overly athletic situation.

[Cornell29]

Watch him vs SF or Green Bay...thats why. Shanny and LaFluer go right at him again and again.

That said he had a solid game yesterday. But he's a liability against teams with above average playmakers.

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The lions did too. Troy is a liability in coverage and doesn't bring enough in run defense to justify what little to nothing he brings in pass coverage.

[brasilrams]

He is a BIG liability against the pass . He is actually GOOD against the run and actually good blitzing the QB ( morris should send him more often , when he does , usually good things happens ) . Good coaches will throw middle pass and go right after him in the passing game . That is how the 49ers destroyed us in the last game . Middle passes and physical run plays . But like I said , Reeder is usually pretty solid against the run , his problem is coverage .

[brasilrams]

Watch him vs SF or Green Bay...thats why. Shanny and LaFluer go right at him again and again.

That said he had a solid game yesterday. But he's a liability against teams with above average playmakers.

This

The lions did too. Troy is a liability in coverage and doesn't bring enough in run defense to justify what little to nothing he brings in pass coverage.

I think he is pretty decent against the run ...but yeah , his coverage is as bad as it gets

[Rampager66]

He is a BIG liability against the pass . He is actually GOOD against the run and actually good blitzing the QB ( morris should send him more often , when he does , usually good things happens ) . Good coaches will throw middle pass and go right after him in the passing game . That is how the 49ers destroyed us in the last game . Middle passes and physical run plays . But like I said , Reeder is usually pretty solid against the run , his problem is coverage .

Perhaps if the DC could recognize his Strengths and Weaknesses and used him accordingly we wouldn't see as many blown assignments from him..
If he sucks at coverage why is he covering? Maybe he should switch roles with Miller, who is ton's more versatile and strictly be used to go after the QB/run defend like a TJ Watt...
Perhaps he's not an Inside LB.

[toast49]

Reeder is a nice role player. Don't start him and let teams gameplan for him. He's really good in a role

[armyram]

Hell, this forum is rough, during November people were hating every member on this team and Coaching staff at some point. I truly can say I never heard no hate for Donald, Whitworth, Kupp or Gay! I’m sure there’s one or two I left out. Tough crowd!

[Cornell29]

He is a BIG liability against the pass . He is actually GOOD against the run and actually good blitzing the QB ( morris should send him more often , when he does , usually good things happens ) . Good coaches will throw middle pass and go right after him in the passing game . That is how the 49ers destroyed us in the last game . Middle passes and physical run plays . But like I said , Reeder is usually pretty solid against the run , his problem is coverage .

Perhaps if the DC could recognize his Strengths and Weaknesses and used him accordingly we wouldn't see as many blown assignments from him..
If he sucks at coverage why is he covering? Maybe he should switch roles with Miller, who is ton's more versatile and strictly be used to go after the QB/run defend like a TJ Watt...
Perhaps he's not an Inside LB.

When you play a team like the Niners or Packers. They run and pass out the same personnel group and they are rarely get caught in a 3rd and long against the rams defense. This is why Reeder gets stuck out there and exposed in coverage.

[Rampager66]

Perhaps if the DC could recognize his Strengths and Weaknesses and used him accordingly we wouldn't see as many blown assignments from him..
If he sucks at coverage why is he covering? Maybe he should switch roles with Miller, who is ton's more versatile and strictly be used to go after the QB/run defend like a TJ Watt...
Perhaps he's not an Inside LB.

When you play a team like the Niners or Packers. They run and pass out the same personnel group and they are rarely get caught in a 3rd and long against the rams defense. This is why Reeder gets stuck out there and exposed in coverage.

They rarely get caught in a 3rd and long against the rams defense because of the soft scheme on 1st and 2nd down... Need to get after them up and down the LOS and stop giving free yardage.. That's when Reeder is more effective from what I've seen.. Teams do it to us all the time and then we make mistakes... Waiting for the other team to make an uncontested error is no strategy I like.

[Cornell29]

When you play a team like the Niners or Packers. They run and pass out the same personnel group and they are rarely get caught in a 3rd and long against the rams defense. This is why Reeder gets stuck out there and exposed in coverage.

They rarely get caught in a 3rd and long against the rams defense because of the soft scheme on 1st and 2nd down... Need to get after them up and down the LOS and stop giving free yardage.. That's when Reeder is more effective from what I've seen.. Teams do it to us all the time and then we make mistakes... Waiting for the other team to make an uncontested error is no strategy I like.

Yeah bend but don't break. Bend but don't break scheme is a poor counter for the likes of the Packers and Niners. Even with Staley last year, the rams struggled to shut down the niners offense despite the numerous niners injuries and the Packers offense in the playoffs.
If the niners play Lance, the rams scheme could be more effective bc Trey doesn't get the ball out fast. If JG plays, the rams need to go more 0 coverage, or at least flood the middle of the field and play tight on the outside.

[FelixTheStonerCat]

Hell, this forum is rough, during November people were hating every member on this team and Coaching staff at some point. I truly can say I never heard no hate for Donald, Whitworth, Kupp or Gay! I’m sure there’s one or two I left out. Tough crowd!

I just call shit how I see it and I'm blunt with my assessment. Anyways, Troy Reeder isn't very good but I'm willing to be patient.

[chris]

I very much disagree I watch him like a hawk he to small to slow and misses tackles all the time. When I think of a linebacker I picture the best player on the defense ,Reeder needs to go and I been saying this for about 2 years on this forum the Rams must go after a real animal like White for the bucs, what a defense we would have!!!

[NorCal RF]

This

The lions did too. Troy is a liability in coverage and doesn't bring enough in run defense to justify what little to nothing he brings in pass coverage.

I think he is pretty decent against the run ...but yeah , his coverage is as bad as it gets

At times brasil agree. But when you rewatch the games each week……….

Boy does he get caught a lot on making poor reads on run plays. At least 5-6 times a game. Rewatching the second half of yesterday now and on that long run early in the 4th by Foreman he followed a simple fake hand off and went the opposite way of ball instead of staying with ball and getting outside to his right where Foreman was going. Same play yes Robinson and Ramsey at fault also but Reeder at no clue………

[GlendoraRam]

“Hate” is a very strong word. What many of us see is that he is very limited. It basically comes down to the fact he is far too slow, both in speed and reads and reacts. Teams are clearing now scheming now to get him into coverage… and exploiting that weakness. He is a run stuffer. Not much more, not even that good in that limited role. Clearly Jones was an upgrade. That and Rapp’s poor play are clearly the weak spots of the defense. If we can see it, every defensive coordinator in the league is also seeing this…. and taking full advantage.

[NorCal RF]

“Hate” is a very strong word. What many of us see is that he is very limited. It basically comes down to the fact he is far too slow, both in speed and reads and reacts. Teams are clearing now scheming now to get him into coverage… and exploiting that weakness. He is a run stuffer. Not much more, not even that good in that limited role. Clearly Jones was an upgrade. That and Rapp’s poor play are clearly the weak spots of the defense. If we can see it, every defensive coordinator in the league is also seeing this…. and taking full advantage.

The best take of all in this thread…………

[therealheadslap75]

Reeder is smart , not slow in front line Speed runs in the 4.6s but he has tight hips, not a sideline to sideline linebacker, not athletic enough

Pff grades him 90th out of 100 (40.8) in coverage and he has a generally low grade vs the run(44.3)
I think he has a problem getting off blocks and is not quick enough to beat the blocker to a spot

His pass rush grade keeps him from being the worst linebacker in the league

It’s a shame he is our starter week in week out

[whatever]

Reeder is a depth ILB. I've no hate for an undrafted player making the roster on minimum wage. I'm not happy about him starting ahead of other players. ILB has been a position of weakness for the Rams for several years. He's fast enough, (in a straight line), strong enough, and willing, but he lacks the agility and range to be a 3-4 ILB. He's more suited to an old-school 4-3 MLB role in a Tampa 2 system with OLBs in zone either side of him.

[toast49]

Reeder should change his name to "he hate me".

[Timking124]

He is a liability in cover and good qbs like Arod and Brady take advantage.

[RAMFAN71]

He's just not that good. Terrible in pass, not even very good against the run. He misses tackles and takes horrible angles. Has a play every so often...but hes the ILB and they usually lead in tackles. He's not good enough.

[Hangtime]

He's playing well now. God we miss #50...

[Ants]

Everyone wants to accentuate his mistakes, but he has made a ton of great plays for a second year (I believe) guy.

I actually agree. He's like Lauranitus, only better. 8-)

[Slickjack]

I appreciate the feedback boys, however I don’t think 4.64 is particularly slow for an inside backer.