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Ready to do first mock of 2016 draft class for Rams. Never include trades although a distinct possibility. Think the value this draft at Rams need positions are late round 1 through 4. Would love for Rams to acquire extra selections in rounds 2 and 3.

Round 1 (15) Reggie Ragland LB, AL - Rams have diverted the attention away from the position with the talk of Olgetree and Fishers interview with NFL channel regarding the hybrid linebacker. Don't kid your self. Draft has not seen a true MIKE like this in a very, very long time. Rams selection of Hager as depth at position last draft tells you what you need to know. Snead did not develop the charts regarding points allowed because he was bored. Preparing to defend another defensive selection to a fanbase clamoring for a quarterback. Ragland is an impact player that could take this defense to new heights.

Round 2 (43) Hunter Henry TE, (AK) - Need based selection as Groh's passing attack is TE heavy and why he was a great fit with Boras and Fisher. Not concerned with blocking ability, father was a division 1 Olineman, just wasnt' required to block at college level.

Round 2 (45) Artie Burns CB, Miami - Another need based pick due to Jenkins departure. Rams do not have depth to withstand an injury to positional group like they did last season when Gaines went down in camp. Issue is magnified if Joyner is required to play S due to loss of McCleod. Pick here could change if Rams address FS in FA (Nelson?) prior to draft. They did add Coty via FA already.

Round 3 (76) Christian Hackenberg QB, Penn State - Snead waits until round 3 again to select a qb and assume many disagree here. Fisher prefers height in his quaterbacks and Hackenberg has a more than legit shot to be best qb to come out of this class, think the Next Big Ben.

Round 4 (110) Tyler Higbee TE Western KY - Snead is known for his multiple picks to solve an area of need and this kid is a steal in round 4. the potential is there to have a better pro career than Henry. TE is a vital position in Rams new passing attack being designed by Groh and think this fact makes the Boras/Groh marriage a successful one. WR is a need as well but this is not the draft to reach for one. Hoping Rams add a one year solution in FA prior to draft at wr position. Henry/Higbee selections could present Rams with the best dual threat TE's in league just in time for the new venue to open.

Round 6 (190) Tre Madden RB USC - Rams wait until round 6 to add a local prospect. The Madden selection is a true value pick in round 6 as without injury history he is a high round 2 prospect. Power back in the mold of and has been compared to ironically Derrick Henry. Rams new location should allow for truism in his current medical which of course has to return favorable. At 223 the power back I prefer rotating behind Gurley. Fact USC ran a pro system should allow for Madden to quickly adapt to the NFL protection schemes on passing downs. Rams are thin at RB behind Gurley and if he would go down so does the season.

If Derrick Henry is available in round 2 when Rams select at 43, change the Henry Rams select there to Derrick making it 2 Alabama prospects with first two picks. A running back rotation of Gurley, Henry and Tavon could be better than history's current best running back rotation of all time, Csonka, Kick and Morris. It is the most intriguing of all the draft scenarios for Rams and would give them a dimension no other team can boast to possess. If Fisher wants the best running attack in the game the selection of Derrick Henry should do just that. They may only need to throw the football 15 times a game with that rotation and highly doubt opposing defenses could stop them even when they stacked the box on every down,

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Not a fan of Hackenberg, but overall I like the mock.
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Ants wrote:Not a fan of Hackenberg, but overall I like the mock.
Well you could insert Prescott or Allen in slot in round 3, but tried to base mock on Sneads/Fishers philosophies and comments this offseason. At 15 you need an impact talent that contributes in 2016 and think Ragland checks box there, Burns provides needed depth/potential starter at cb and should contribute immediately as well. Henry/Higbee begin development under the Groh/Boras offense which if you expect it to have some of the concepts used in Chicago last season relies heavily on the TE's off run heavy alignments to catch opposing defense in run package for TE's to exploit in coverage. Rams need depth at rb in the worst of ways, not high on Mason personally prior to offseason incident. Prefer power back spelling Gurley.

Watched a lot of tape on Hack. He began making NFL throws freshman year under OBrien. Love his touch he puts on ball and excels in red zone placement. Really think issues that occurred after OBrien left and scholorships with him were beyond his control. Difficult for a pocket passer to thrive in that environement. If Rams do indeed have the running attack I believe they will, think Hack will pick apart NFL defenses in that environment similar to Big Ben with Steelers and Fisher loves to go deep off of play action.
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Wildflecken wrote:Ready to do first mock of 2016 draft class for Rams. Never include trades although a distinct possibility. Think the value this draft at Rams need positions are late round 1 through 4. Would love for Rams to acquire extra selections in rounds 2 and 3.
Round 1 (15) Reggie Ragland LB, AL - Rams have diverted the attention away from the position with the talk of Olgetree and Fishers interview with NFL channel regarding the hybrid linebacker. Don't kid your self. Draft has not seen a true MIKE like this in a very, very long time.
Round 2 (43) Hunter Henry TE, (AK) - Need based selection as Groh's passing attack is TE heavy and why he was a great fit with Boras and Fisher. Not concerned with blocking ability, father was a division 1 Olineman, just wasnt' required to block at college level.
Round 2 (45) Artie Burns CB, Miami - Another need based pick due to Jenkins departure. Rams do not have depth to withstand an injury to positional group like they did last season when Gaines went down in camp. Issue is magnified if Joyner is required to play S due to loss of McCleod. Pick here could change if Rams address FS in FA (Nelson?) prior to draft.
Round 3 (76) Christian Hackenberg QB, Penn State - Snead waits until round 3 again to select a qb and assume many disagree here. Fisher prefers height in his quaterbacks and Hackenberg has a more than legit shot to be best qb to come out of this class, think the Next Big Ben.
Round 4 (110) Tyler Higbee TE Western KY - Snead is known for his multiple picks to solve an area of need and this kid is a steal in round 4. the potential is there to have a better pro career than Henry.
Round 6 (190) Tre Madden RB USC - Rams wait until round 6 to add a local prospect. The Madden selection is a true value pick in round 6.

If Derrick Henry is available in round 2 when Rams select at 43, change the Henry Rams select there to Derrick making it 2 Alabama prospects with first two picks. A running back rotation of Gurley, Henry and Tavon could be better than history's current best running back rotation of all time, Csonka, Kick and Morris. POUND THE ROCK!!!
Interesting Wild, thanks. Agree on Ragland, the only guy I'd take at 15--otherwise, trade down. And with Henry at 43.
Otherwise...two TEs and no WR? CB and no FS? (I don't see one 'appearing' in FA).

I suppose if Fisher's "pound the rock" philosophy continues, this wouldn't be a bad draft. However...two problems.
1) PTR (Pound The Rock) doesn't work if you manage to fall behind, as the Rams often do. Hard to play catch-up with PTR, and with JJ gone, and no FS, and no depth at LB, the Rams could be giving up a lot of passing yards/scores.
2) PTR is boring. I know, winning isn't, but this is LALALAND we're talking about, where people arrive late and leave early and expect to be entertained. All about Magic Johnson and Showtime. And while Miami's Zonk and Kiick pounded and won, you also had Griese and Morrall tossing for 20 TDs to Warfield and a bunch of capable no-names.

Gotta get a FS, at least one WR, and I'd go Prescott or Hogan over Hackenberg. But hey, that's what makes a horse race! Gonna be fun to see how it plays out in three weeks and change...and in December.
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Interesting Wild, thanks. Agree on Ragland, the only guy I'd take at 15--otherwise, trade down. And with Henry at 43.
Otherwise...two TEs and no WR? CB and no FS? (I don't see one 'appearing' in FA).

I suppose if Fisher's "pound the rock" philosophy continues, this wouldn't be a bad draft. However...two problems.
1) PTR (Pound The Rock) doesn't work if you manage to fall behind, as the Rams often do. Hard to play catch-up with PTR, and with JJ gone, and no FS, and no depth at LB, the Rams could be giving up a lot of passing yards/scores.
2) PTR is boring. I know, winning isn't, but this is LALALAND we're talking about, where people arrive late and leave early and expect to be entertained. All about Magic Johnson and Showtime. And while Miami's Zonk and Kiick pounded and won, you also had Griese and Morrall tossing for 20 TDs to Warfield and a bunch of capable no-names.

Gotta get a FS, at least one WR, and I'd go Prescott or Hogan over Hackenberg. But hey, that's what makes a horse race! Gonna be fun to see how it plays out in three weeks and change...and in December.
Didn't LALALAND have Ground Chuck, twice in fact?
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Time for your Mock 2.0

I would be slightly upset if the Rams ended the draft with your picks. That's just me

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I've got an interesting trade and Mock draft I've been thinking about. It involves the GB Packers.

My proposed draft trade goes like this: Rams trade down to GB's 27 pick adding their 2nd and 4th. To do this, the Rams swap 3rds to be able to get a 4th in the deal as well as getting GB to part with a 2nd.

Rams now have picks as follows:
Rd1(27)
Rd2(43)(45)(57) Nice!
Rd3(88)
Rd4(110)(125)
Rd6(190)
8 picks with 4 in the top 57.

GB gets up to 15(Ragland) would help that D playing along side Mathews. They can double down with a DT with Rams 3rd and still have 5 picks from late 4th to 7th rounds to try and fill other holes. Heck, I'd throw in Foles or Mason if they'd takeem.

Now my draft:
Rd1-Lynch- QB of the future. NFL network has him going to the Bronco's at 31- can't let that happen. Cook PLan B.
Rd2a-Braxton Miller or Michael Thomas WR. Rams should be able to land a solid guy at 43. No Quick projects please-although I think he'll bounce back.
Rd2b-Nick Martin C. Now our O- line is set- hopefully GR?
Rd2c-Artie Burns CB - Joyner to FS? Next Bob Sanders?
Rd3-Tyler Higbee TE - Don't think he'll fall out of the 3rd Rd. If gone Rams plan B is Nick Vannett.
Rd4a-Miles Killebrew S/LB. Hitter, tackling machine are the Fisher/ Williams type. Provides insurance for Barron.
Rd4b- Jordan Peyton WR-local product said he would love to play for the Rams. Brings competition to WR corps.
RD5-I. Battle LT-Rams already picked him in Sup Draft.
Rd5b- Roberto AguayoK. Rams find a way to trade up to the 5th Round to pluck kicker.

Rams have done a great job recently bringing in UDFA's in recent years and 2016 is no different. Find a DT, another linebacker and possibly TE and FB.

There is my draft 2016.
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Nice mock, could see need for GB there, thought I heard talk of them moving Mathews back outside? Talk of the kicker going in third, personally would not want to sacrifice a third for the position but Rams may have true need there. GZ was money first season, but has struggled for two seasons now and especially unreliable outside in elements so I do think Rams head in another direction at the position.

I like Lynch a lot. Lot of other teams appear to as well. Buffalo's interest is surprising with Taylor's performance last season, wonder if Buffalo is looking to move him in draft day trade??

If I was a betting man and Vegas had odds on which qb Rams will draft this class, I would lay money on Conner Cook. Snead puts a lot of emphasis on snaps in pro system at college level. Do think a lot of the issues surrounding Cook was overblown in media and an unfair knock on him. Appears lightyears ahead of other prospects in understanding the reads at the next level and sees things on the field the other prospects do not. Cook flying under radar is a favorable situation for Rams sitting at 15. I would not be shocked if they pulled trigger on him there. Cook to Rams will be in my final mock prior to draft,
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Cook was starting to become a big fish last year before deciding to go back to School. Could be as good if not better than Goff.
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Ramsblood wrote:I've got an interesting trade and Mock draft I've been thinking about. It involves the GB Packers.

My proposed draft trade goes like this: Rams trade down to GB's 27 pick adding their 2nd and 4th. To do this, the Rams swap 3rds to be able to get a 4th in the deal as well as getting GB to part with a 2nd.

Rams now have picks as follows:
Rd1(27)
Rd2(43)(45)(57) Nice!
Rd3(88)
Rd4(110)(125)
Rd6(190)
8 picks with 4 in the top 57.

GB gets up to 15(Ragland) would help that D playing along side Mathews. They can double down with a DT with Rams 3rd and still have 5 picks from late 4th to 7th rounds to try and fill other holes. Heck, I'd throw in Foles or Mason if they'd takeem.

Now my draft:
Rd1-Lynch- QB of the future. NFL network has him going to the Bronco's at 31- can't let that happen. Cook PLan B.
Rd2a-Braxton Miller or Michael Thomas WR. Rams should be able to land a solid guy at 43. No Quick projects please-although I think he'll bounce back.
Rd2b-Nick Martin C. Now our O- line is set- hopefully GR?
Rd2c-Artie Burns CB - Joyner to FS? Next Bob Sanders?
Rd3-Tyler Higbee TE - Don't think he'll fall out of the 3rd Rd. If gone Rams plan B is Nick Vannett.
Rd4a-Miles Killebrew S/LB. Hitter, tackling machine are the Fisher/ Williams type. Provides insurance for Barron.
Rd4b- Jordan Peyton WR-local product said he would love to play for the Rams. Brings competition to WR corps.
RD5-I. Battle LT-Rams already picked him in Sup Draft.
Rd5b- Roberto AguayoK. Rams find a way to trade up to the 5th Round to pluck kicker.

Rams have done a great job recently bringing in UDFA's in recent years and 2016 is no different. Find a DT, another linebacker and possibly TE and FB.

There is my draft 2016.
Good Draft. Swap out a DT for a C in round 2, would make it a great draft.
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Would be a great draft if it fell that way. Personally, I doubt GB would give up so much just to draft a MLB. Seems like trades involving 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks are usually reserved for QBs. Also don't think Lynch drops to the 27th pick or Killebrew falls to the 4th round but anything is possible. JMO.
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lynyrdsghost wrote:Would be a great draft if it fell that way. Personally, I doubt GB would give up so much just to draft a MLB. Seems like trades involving 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks are usually reserved for QBs. Also don't think Lynch drops to the 27th pick or Killebrew falls to the 4th round but anything is possible. JMO.
True, I don't think Lynch drops that far either hense the Reason I have Cook as the plan b. But you never know how exactly these Nut! Kidding QB's are rated so it's possible. If not a good receiver or TE Hunter Henry will be available and then focus on the next tier of QB's.

As for Ragland, just look at what Denver was able to accomplish with a lights out D. GB doesn't need a lights out D but a still formatable one. Hense the need for Ragland and doubling down on D with a DT to replace the guy that just retred- his name escapes me at the moment.

I doubt if GB would actually do this trade but hope the Rams can pull off something similar. GB has two 4th round compesatory picks so they may be interested in a trade up in the 1st to ensure an impact D player.
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lynyrdsghost wrote:Would be a great draft if it fell that way. Personally, I doubt GB would give up so much just to draft a MLB. Seems like trades involving 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks are usually reserved for QBs. Also don't think Lynch drops to the 27th pick or Killebrew falls to the 4th round but anything is possible. JMO.
True, I don't think Lynch drops that far either hense the Reason I have Cook as the plan b. But you never know how exactly these Nuts! Kidding, QB's are rated so it's possible. If not a good receiver or TE Hunter Henry will be available and then focus on the next tier of QB's.

As for Ragland, just look at what Denver was able to accomplish with a lights out D. GB doesn't need a lights out D but still a formatable one. Hense the need for Ragland and doubling down on D with a DT to replace the guy that just retired- his name escapes me at the moment.

I doubt GB would actually do this trade but hope the Rams can pull off something similar. GB has two 4th round compesatory picks so they may be interested in a trade up in the 1st to ensure an impact D player.
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pmill66 wrote:
Ramsblood wrote:I've got an interesting trade and Mock draft I've been thinking about. It involves the GB Packers.

My proposed draft trade goes like this: Rams trade down to GB's 27 pick adding their 2nd and 4th. To do this, the Rams swap 3rds to be able to get a 4th in the deal as well as getting GB to part with a 2nd.

Rams now have picks as follows:
Rd1(27)
Rd2(43)(45)(57) Nice!
Rd3(88)
Rd4(110)(125)
Rd6(190)
8 picks with 4 in the top 57.

GB gets up to 15(Ragland) would help that D playing along side Mathews. They can double down with a DT with Rams 3rd and still have 5 picks from late 4th to 7th rounds to try and fill other holes. Heck, I'd throw in Foles or Mason if they'd takeem.

Now my draft:
Rd1-Lynch- QB of the future. NFL network has him going to the Bronco's at 31- can't let that happen. Cook PLan B.
Rd2a-Braxton Miller or Michael Thomas WR. Rams should be able to land a solid guy at 43. No Quick projects please-although I think he'll bounce back.
Rd2b-Nick Martin C. Now our O- line is set- hopefully GR?
Rd2c-Artie Burns CB - Joyner to FS? Next Bob Sanders?
Rd3-Tyler Higbee TE - Don't think he'll fall out of the 3rd Rd. If gone Rams plan B is Nick Vannett.
Rd4a-Miles Killebrew S/LB. Hitter, tackling machine are the Fisher/ Williams type. Provides insurance for Barron.
Rd4b- Jordan Peyton WR-local product said he would love to play for the Rams. Brings competition to WR corps.
RD5-I. Battle LT-Rams already picked him in Sup Draft.
Rd5b- Roberto AguayoK. Rams find a way to trade up to the 5th Round to pluck kicker.

Rams have done a great job recently bringing in UDFA's in recent years and 2016 is no different. Find a DT, another linebacker and possibly TE and FB.

There is my draft 2016.
Good Draft. Swap out a DT for a C in round 2, would make it a great draft.
I know, believe me I know a quality 3rd D- tackle is needed but a starting center seems to be a more urgent need.
Barnes is a decent serviceable guy but nowhere near Brokers or AD.

If anything get a DT instead of a corner with the acquired 2nd rounder if the values better or even with a corner. The best D player on the board would probably be the way to go at that pick- the third 2nd rounder. Along with Killebrew the Rams D would continue adding quality pieces. Let's hope guys like Gaines, Roberson, Davis and Bryant can step up.
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