Colin on Goff - Stafford

[Cornell29]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Mahomes is 15th in passer rating and has a losing record.

Gotta love the media

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

[HellRam]

Baker at the top is correct BUT FOR RIGHT NOW...

let's see what happens come January.

My guess the list will look more like this then...

1. Mahomes
2. Stafford
3. Allen
4. Bulldawgs Mom
5. Goff
6. Herbert
7. Mayfield
8. Darnold

Baker lead the league with 41 TDs last year. I think we need to get used to Baker being one of the better QBs in the league.

[DelMar]

Baker at the top is correct BUT FOR RIGHT NOW...

let's see what happens come January.

My guess the list will look more like this then...

1. Mahomes
2. Stafford
3. Allen
4. Bulldawgs Mom
5. Goff
6. Herbert
7. Mayfield
8. Darnold

Baker lead the league with 41 TDs last year. I think we need to get used to Baker being one of the better QBs in the league.

But Baker is not as consistent... maybe he will prove us wrong this season.

none the less, great debate.

[HellRam]

Mahomes is 15th in passer rating and has a losing record.

Gotta love the media

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

No real weapons?

Kelce....greatest recieving TE of all time.
Hollywood.....1st round pick/ 1,000 yard reciever
Worthy.....1st round pick
Thorton....2nd round pick
And now Rice is coming back.

Idk....definitely could be worse.

[Cornell29]

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

No real weapons?

Kelce....greatest recieving TE of all time.
Hollywood.....1st round pick/ 1,000 yard reciever
Worthy.....1st round pick
Thorton....2nd round pick
And now Rice is coming back.

Idk....definitely could be worse.

All above average to mid including Kelce at this point of their career. Rice hasn't even played this year so Mahomes leads the league in total tds and yards without his help.
Only other qb in the MVP talk that has arguably equal or worse talent around him is Allen

[HellRam]

No real weapons?

Kelce....greatest recieving TE of all time.
Hollywood.....1st round pick/ 1,000 yard reciever
Worthy.....1st round pick
Thorton....2nd round pick
And now Rice is coming back.

Idk....definitely could be worse.

All above average to mid including Kelce at this point of their career. Rice hasn't even played this year so Mahomes leads the league in total tds and yards without his help.
Only other qb in the MVP talk that has arguably equal or worse talent around him is Allen

Allen.....sure. Though Kincaid and Cook are studs.

Mahomes? Yeah I'm not fully buying it. Its a pretty talented receiving group in general. I'm not saying its a premier group. But its a very talented group.

[ocram23]

Despite not having any real weapons, he leads the league in total tds and yards for a qb.

No real weapons?

Kelce....greatest recieving TE of all time.
Hollywood.....1st round pick/ 1,000 yard reciever
Worthy.....1st round pick
Thorton....2nd round pick
And now Rice is coming back.

Idk....definitely could be worse.

Hollywood could be the most overrated player of all time...due is rarely available and when he is doesn't bring much to the party.
I do like Thornton.
Worthy is good but hurt a lot.
Kelce...agree

But I would also agree that they don't have a ton of weapons. At least not proven ones.

[Idaho_Ram]

Back to the OP - I looked up both of their career playoff stats. Colin conveniently leaves that part out of his analysis.

Both have played 10 playoff games

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

I am not anti-Goff at all, but Sean saw what he saw, a guy who makes CRUCIAL mistakes in huge spots. Whereas Stafford is the best when the lights are the brightest.

[Cornell29]

Though I like Goff and I hope the Lions lose every game with the exception of the 9ers.

Goff hasn't played nearly as many seasons as Stafford and if by some miracle he gets the Lions a Super Bowl Stafford will be an afterthought in Detroit, and some LA fans will wonder if we should have kept him.

Stafford is still playing well but he's on his decline. I'll be impressed if he's a Ram next season.

Stafford on his decline????

Stafford is on pace of having one of his best seasons as a ram. 4th best comp pct in his career, best int to td ratio in his career. I know he has had some off target throws, but Stafford is a gun slinger and always been known to have some errand throws throughout his entire career, just ask Lions fans.

[DelMar]

Though I like Goff and I hope the Lions lose every game with the exception of the 9ers.

Goff hasn't played nearly as many seasons as Stafford and if by some miracle he gets the Lions a Super Bowl Stafford will be an afterthought in Detroit, and some LA fans will wonder if we should have kept him.

Stafford is still playing well but he's on his decline. I'll be impressed if he's a Ram next season.

Stafford on his decline????

Stafford is on pace of having one of his best seasons as a ram. 4th best comp pct in his career, best int to td ratio in his career. I know he has had some off target throws, but Stafford is a gun slinger and always been known to have some errand throws throughout his entire career, just ask Lions fans.

Consider who you are replying to C29....

Stop w all the stats that totally contradict this argument that Staff is in decline. Some people just dont care about stats, ratio, etc etc..

This whole argument that Stafford is washed up, in decline, old and has been... completely blows my mind. Shoot, if we didnt have Matt, we'd prob be 2-4, (or worse) not 4-2.

I can also admit that Matt has been a bit shaky at times this season in some qtrs, but lets look at the ENITRE games as a whole and not by the quarters...

Between Flacco, Rodgers and Stafford... it's more like the year of the senior QB's... these old guys out there just balling. I was impressed w Rodgers last minute bomb last ngt... even though it was knocked down, did you see how far he threw it? 70 YARDS at least... You dont see that strength much at all these days...



And best season as a Ram? More like one of Matts best since being in the NFL...

[DVA_ram33]

Though I like Goff and I hope the Lions lose every game with the exception of the 9ers.

Goff hasn't played nearly as many seasons as Stafford and if by some miracle he gets the Lions a Super Bowl Stafford will be an afterthought in Detroit, and some LA fans will wonder if we should have kept him.

Stafford is still playing well but he's on his decline. I'll be impressed if he's a Ram next season.

Stafford on his decline????

Stafford is on pace of having one of his best seasons as a ram. 4th best comp pct in his career, best int to td ratio in his career. I know he has had some off target throws, but Stafford is a gun slinger and always been known to have some errand throws throughout his entire career, just ask Lions fans.

Agree.. if he was 10 years younger he would be in the top 3 and get some love around the league and this board.

[Cornell29]

Yes. Like I said before, Stafford is in the MVP conversation

[Cornell29]

Looks good to me

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[brasilrams]

Back to the OP - I looked up both of their career playoff stats. Colin conveniently leaves that part out of his analysis.

Both have played 10 playoff games

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

I am not anti-Goff at all, but Sean saw what he saw, a guy who makes CRUCIAL mistakes in huge spots. Whereas Stafford is the best when the lights are the brightest.

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

This right here should END any debate between goff and Stafford

[DelMar]

Back to the OP - I looked up both of their career playoff stats. Colin conveniently leaves that part out of his analysis.

Both have played 10 playoff games

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

I am not anti-Goff at all, but Sean saw what he saw, a guy who makes CRUCIAL mistakes in huge spots. Whereas Stafford is the best when the lights are the brightest.

Goff 245.1 Yd/gm 9 TD 5 INT 85.1 Rating
Stafford 299.6 Yd/gm 19 TD 6 INT 102.3 Rating AND A RING!!

This right here should END any debate between goff and Stafford

^Then theres this …

[Cornell29]

[DelMar]

^ Annnnnnnnd there's also this

[HellRam]

Sorry but anyone that thinks Goff is the 27th ranked QB in the league this year is on something stronger than meth lol.

[Cornell29]

Sorry but anyone that thinks Goff is the 27th ranked QB in the league this year is on something stronger than meth lol.

Its PFF which is and has been used multiple times on the board.

Maybe it's wrong, does seem low. Can't see in Screenshot. Does someone currently have PFF? Can you verify.

[Cornell29]

I just accessed PFF and this is what I see.

[HellRam]

Sorry but anyone that thinks Goff is the 27th ranked QB in the league this year is on something stronger than meth lol.

Its PFF which is and has been used multiple times on the board

And PFF is high as fuck. I've always liked there line ratings. I find the skill position ratings to be off and the LB ratings to be odd as well. I can now add QB.

Regardless, they actually have Goff at 31st ranked QB. Anyone that believes that is retarded. Let's just be honest here.

Passer rating (which is production not opinion)

Goff - 116.4
Stafford - 109.3

PPG
Lions - 30.7 (3rd in NFL)
Rams - 25 (11th in NFL)


I'm all for a honest debate. Nobody has been more fair on the topic than me. But I'm not engaging in nonsense. Regardless, of the source.

[Cornell29]

Its PFF which is and has been used multiple times on the board

And PFF is high as fuck. I've always liked there line ratings. I find the skill position ratings to be off and the LB ratings to be odd as well.

Regardless they actually have Goff at 31 ranked QB. Anyone they believes that is retarded. Let's just be honest here.

Passer rating (which is production not opinion)

Goff - 116.4
Stafford - 109.3

PPG
Lions - 30.7 (3rd in NFL)
Rams - 25 (11th in NFL)


I'm all for a honest debate. Nobody has been more fair on the topic than me. But I'm not engaging in nonsense. Regardless, of the source.

PFF looks deeper than just stats and ppg. It knows that some players benefit more than others with the talent around them

PFF uses a play-by-play grading system and advanced stats to evaluate a quarterback, focusing on their decision-making and execution on a per-play basis rather than just the outcome. This includes metrics like adjusted completion percentage, which removes factors outside the QB's control, and statistics such as big-time throws and turnover-worthy plays to provide a more context-specific view of performance than standard box score stats.

[Cornell29]

[HellRam]

And PFF is high as fuck. I've always liked there line ratings. I find the skill position ratings to be off and the LB ratings to be odd as well.

Regardless they actually have Goff at 31 ranked QB. Anyone they believes that is retarded. Let's just be honest here.

Passer rating (which is production not opinion)

Goff - 116.4
Stafford - 109.3

PPG
Lions - 30.7 (3rd in NFL)
Rams - 25 (11th in NFL)


I'm all for a honest debate. Nobody has been more fair on the topic than me. But I'm not engaging in nonsense. Regardless, of the source.

PFF looks deeper than just stats and ppg. It knows that some players benefit more than others with the talent around them

PFF uses a play-by-play grading system and advanced stats to evaluate a quarterback, focusing on their decision-making and execution on a per-play basis rather than just the outcome. This includes metrics like adjusted completion percentage, which removes factors outside the QB's control, and statistics such as big-time throws and turnover-worthy plays to provide a more context-specific view of performance than standard box score stats.

I don't give a fuck lol.

Like I said, I wont engage in retardation. Or clear bias. I won't.

[Cornell29]

[HellRam]

Stats wise yes!

He was better in 2021 and the offense ranked better than because of it. The Rams this year are winning a lot of games with the defense. Stafford was truly elite in 2021. This year he's played well but has left a lot of points on the board. The stats look better than the play in my opinion. If he can get more consistent this team will win a Superbowl!

[Cornell29]

Stats wise yes!

He was better in 2021 and the offense ranked better than because of it. The Rams this year are winning a lot of games with the defense. Stafford was truly elite in 2021. This year he's played well but has left a lot of points on the board. The stats look better than the play in my opinion. If he can get more consistent this team will win a Superbowl!

Stafford started 2021 elite but that November was rough. Stafford was 2nd in the league in ints that year despite having a better OL.

Stafford is protecting the ball alot more while still making lots of splash plays.