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When things get close, Sean McVay just can't stop himself from falling into the same, wholly predictable pattern of offensive play calls: straight drop back and pass, pass, pass. Clearly, he panics and forgets everything he had intended to do when should things get tough. An obvious sign of "coaching" immaturity...
At other times his play calls are very obviously just plain overly risky and stupid...e.g., yesterday's (just plain nutty) end the 2nd qtr empty backfield, drop back pass on 3rd and 1/4 yard. That one likely changed momentum and and ultimately cost the game vs the 49ers.

McVay's coaching savvy needs desperately to grow in important aspects. His incredibly senseless play calling yesterday has likely destroyed the confidence of this Ram team. That seems to be the price of having the youngest head man in the NFL.

His Rams won't beat the Cardinals unless McVay can learn to control himself should things get close.
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They won arguably the toughest division in football, and the OP states the team is "broken"? If they get a first down on the possession with 1:45 remaing, the game is over, and these threads would be saying that they turned the corner. Does the team have room for improvement? Absolutely. Broken? That's just kind of dramatic.
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grackler wrote: January 10th, 2022, 11:21 am When things get close, Sean McVay just can't stop himself from falling into the same, wholly predictable pattern of offensive play calls: straight drop back and pass, pass, pass. Clearly, he panics and forgets everything he had intended to do when should things get tough. An obvious sign of "coaching" immaturity...
At other times his play calls are very obviously just plain overly risky and stupid...e.g., yesterday's (just plain nutty) end the 2nd qtr empty backfield, drop back pass on 3rd and 1/4 yard. That one likely changed momentum and and ultimately cost the game vs the 49ers.

McVay's coaching savvy needs desperately to grow in important aspects. His incredibly senseless play calling yesterday has likely destroyed the confidence of this Ram team. That seems to be the price of having the youngest head man in the NFL.

His Rams won't beat the Cardinals unless McVay can learn to control himself should things get close.
Immature Mcvay beat the cards 9 out of the last 10 times.
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He needs that ego to shrink a bit. He has definitely fallen back as far as a play caller, especially from 2018 and the famous Rams vs. Chiefs game. He needs to take a long look in the mirror and figure out what is different. I felt really good about the Stafford acquisition, but I think he has been hurt by Sean's play calling. What happened to the best 4th quarter comeback quarterback in the league when he was in Detroit? Sorry, but Snead needs to be asking the same questions, but all he see's is 12-5, which no doubt is great, but what could it be???
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He was too conservative trying to kill the clock with 1:50. A play action for 10 yards would have won the game. Instead, he ran Michel 3 times when we hadn't run all day. Do something like a fake run and naked bootleg for crying out loud.

The TD to Higbee on the 5 is a good example. It's not like we have a huge dominating OL with Derrick Henry back there. Very disappointing.
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I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.
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RAMFAN71 wrote: January 11th, 2022, 8:32 am I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.
Yes the reward of getting a first down is game over. The risk of throwing on 3rd down and not getting it is they keep a timeout which we saw didn't matter because they went right down the field. Teams that don't try and win the game with your offense seem to always pay the price. Unfortunately we have such a brain dead coach who has no clue when it comes to situational football.
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ADonaldBeast wrote: January 11th, 2022, 8:38 am
RAMFAN71 wrote: January 11th, 2022, 8:32 am I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.
Yes the reward of getting a first down is game over. The risk of throwing on 3rd down and not getting it is they keep a timeout which we saw didn't matter because they went right down the field. Teams that don't try and win the game with your offense seem to always pay the price. Unfortunately we have such a brain dead coach who has no clue when it comes to situational football.
I can remember a game several years back when McVay tried to pass the ball the in this situation and Goff missed allowing the opposing team to maintain a time out. He was criticized in that instance for being to aggressive. Luckily it still turned out right for the Rams. I have no problem with running 3 times and killing all the 49er timeouts. Teams should not be able to go 88 yards for a TD with no timeouts and back up OT's against Von Miller, Aaron Donald and Leonard Floyd. It kills me that the 49ers were able to get better pressure against Stafford this game than Rams could on Garofalo.

The call I have a problem with was at the end of the first half where he did not just run the ball to get first down to make sure the 49ers didn't get the ball back. There he was too aggressive. Had he played it safe in both instances Rams would have won.
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There is merit to the 3 runs. I disagree- BUT they did have a 99% chance of winning given the niners had no time outs. And it wasn't A Rogers....it was friggin Jimmy G. The whole thing was just a fluke. Complete implosion.
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With the 9ers secondary, Stafford could have gotten 10 yards in 3 tries easily. I'm sure Mcvay won't do that again and I hope he looks at that series hard in the offseason.

Can you imagine if we face the Niners again in the playoffs? For the Super Bowl?

OMG, I would love some revenge and you know the Rams would be up for it.
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49RH8R wrote: January 11th, 2022, 10:50 am With the 9ers secondary, Stafford could have gotten 10 yards in 3 tries easily. I'm sure Mcvay won't do that again and I hope he looks at that series hard in the offseason.

Can you imagine if we face the Niners again in the playoffs? For the Super Bowl?

OMG, I would love some revenge and you know the Rams would be up for it.
I too am a glutton for punishment-bring on the 49ers for a third time-this time we crush them.......Then on to the NFC championship!!
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49RH8R wrote: January 11th, 2022, 10:50 am With the 9ers secondary, Stafford could have gotten 10 yards in 3 tries easily. I'm sure Mcvay won't do that again and I hope he looks at that series hard in the offseason.

Can you imagine if we face the Niners again in the playoffs? For the Super Bowl?

OMG, I would love some revenge and you know the Rams would be up for it.
Really. The Niners sacked Stafford 5 times and pressured him on almost every pass that game. What if Stafford was hit and lost the ball people would have been calling McVay stupid for trying to pass.
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Ramsfan08ny wrote: January 10th, 2022, 12:14 pm
Broken? That's just kind of dramatic.
Yes, arguably it is, yet it's also 100% accurate.

The Rams simply 'freeze up' when they need a clutch play against a good team--there's a reason that their record against 2021 season playoff teams is 2-5... :( :cry: :x

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49RH8R wrote: January 11th, 2022, 10:50 am
Can you imagine if we face the Niners again in the playoffs? For the Super Bowl?

OMG, I would love some revenge and you know the Rams would be up for it.
No, we don't know that, not at all.

In fact, recent history strongly suggests that the Rams would once again 'play scared' and get their "clocks cleaned" by the 49ers for the seventh consecutive time.

Face it, the critics were 100% correct, most of the time our team is 'squishy soft' vs. a decent opponent... :( :cry: :|

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DMRamFan wrote: January 11th, 2022, 12:10 pm
Commish wrote: January 11th, 2022, 11:57 am No, we don't know that, not at all.

In fact, recent history strongly suggests that the Rams would once again 'play scared' and get their "clocks cleaned" by the 49ers for the seventh consecutive time.

Face it, the critics were 100% correct, most of the time our team is 'squishy soft' vs. a decent opponent... :( :cry: :|

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Commish,

May I ask you a question?

What is the deal. I mean your fascination w the 49ers runs deep. Maybe 8 out of 10 post by you sure is doom and gloom, and mostly all about the 49ers.

I mean, they have our number, but we still won the division. Isn't that what matters the most at this point right now?

I get that we ALL have deep hatred for San Fran, but yours is almost a different level. Like restraining order type level. 8-)

Are you secretly a 49er fan? I think there could be some truth to this statement. :lol:

Anyways, but seriously... time to think about the Cards. If we play the niners again, Im all for it. If we lose 3 games to them this season, it could be a good thing in the long run I reckon. That COULD push Snead to make some drastic changes to our team, starting w some assistants on down. Which I think we need personally my friend.

Just try and look at the cup half full sometimes... We will revive the 70's. Our time is coming. Rams will dominate again.

Dont you think there is a reason a number of posters in here think you are kind of like this little fella?....

Cheer up buttercup...
I’m saying this actually in a positive way towards commish…………..

He is old school DM. You are not suppose to be subjected to at this level what the Rams have against the Niners. It’s really not hard to see if you under stand that fan. Not sure how old he is but if he is say 50+ it’s a generation thing. It’s how they see the game. IMO he wants this team to win as much as anyone in here. I’ve gone back and forth with him for a while now and I am very confident in what I just said about him wanting this team to win. Again just sees the game different then a lot of us in regards to certain aspects of it…………

I get it up to a certain point. I too vividly remember the league in the late 70’s. Not the 60’s. I though see today’s NFL for what it is more so then many who have watched the league for a while. It’s not the same game as the 60’s and 70’s. Sure don’t get me wrong the battle at the LOS scrimmage is still awfully important but it’s now about matchups and exploiting the other teams weaknesses, which changes from week to week, then it is “ we are going to pound the ball and run it” until it bleeping works……………
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Sure don’t get me wrong the battle at the LOS scrimmage is still awfully important but it’s now about matchups and exploiting the other teams weaknesses, which changes from week to week, then it is “ we are going to pound the ball and run it” until it bleeping works……………
The way the 49ers have cleaned the Rams clocks 6 straight times says different. Niner's just ran over the Rams both games this year and their DL just dominated Rams OL. Stafford, the receivers and some turnovers were the only reason Rams were close this game.
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RAMFAN71 wrote: January 11th, 2022, 8:32 am I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.
Are you talking about the drive San Francisco had in OT? That was on the defense.....or the last drive the Rams had in OT when Stafford tossed an INT on a bomb? Neither of those I would classify as too conservative

OR...were you talking about when the Rams tried to run the clock at the end of regulation? This is what I thought you were referring to....in this case I don't agree with your assessment either....the Niners had 4 timouts with about 2:30 to go...yep I said 4 time outs because they also had the 2 minute time out working for them. McV wanted them to burn all of them and showed confidence in his defense to stop them...if he throws the ball it tells the D he doesn't have confidence.

Personally I wanted to try and get the 1st by throwing the ball...but I completely understand the reasoning....and if the D would have held up everybody would be saying it was a great decision...now he's second guessed.
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Guys… there was one play that cost us this game. That was the blown coverage into the end zone that tied the game.
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I think ultimately games are won and lost by whoever has the better QB, so it doesn’t matter what McVay calls.

Either Stafford gets hot (and even mediocre QBs can get hot in the playoffs see Eli Manning and Nick Foles) or he doesn’t.

I think we have a slightly better chance of Stafford playing great than Goff, but ultimately it’s not on McVay. He can only work with who he has throwing the passes and making the decisions
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How quick some people forget the lean years of 4 -7 wins in a Season tops! How quick people forget that the Rams were bottom feeders for years upon years.

McVay comes, 10+ wins are now expected. And enjoyed by Rams Fans.

He's young & not perfect, but I for 1 like watching the Rams play, when they have a great chance to win any game.

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Rammo wrote: January 11th, 2022, 10:55 am
49RH8R wrote: January 11th, 2022, 10:50 am With the 9ers secondary, Stafford could have gotten 10 yards in 3 tries easily. I'm sure Mcvay won't do that again and I hope he looks at that series hard in the offseason.

Can you imagine if we face the Niners again in the playoffs? For the Super Bowl?

OMG, I would love some revenge and you know the Rams would be up for it.
I too am a glutton for punishment-bring on the 49ers for a third time-this time we crush them.......Then on to the NFC championship!!
I'm not saying that the 49ers are the cream of the NFL, but their strengths, by far over match the Rams weaknesses. The Rams were fortunate that the 9ers didn't start the game with the second half game plan or we're looking at a 9er blowout. With that said, I have zero confidence that the Rams can beat the 9ers, and if they did play in the NFC championship, the place would be thunderously loud.....with 9er fans
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Mcvay always been immature. Not sure how the rams are broken since he took over. Before Mcvay the Rams had one winning season since 2003 and now

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RAMFAN71 wrote: January 11th, 2022, 8:32 am I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.
Anyone who thinks McVay was trying to move the ball on that last drive is nuts, he was scared to death of a Stafford turnover and basically gave up and handed the rest of the clock to the defense.

Even though the running game was ‘going nowhere’, Stafford performed much better while they were still mixing in runs because it kept the D honest.

Look at the Ram possessions in the collapse against the Niners:

From kickoff to 1st possession of 2nd half
16 runs for 32 yds
Stafford - 15 for 17, 152 yds, 2 TDs, 1 sack, 0 INTs

2nd and 3rd possession, 2nd half
No running plays
Stafford - 1 for 6, 24 yds, 1 INT, 2 sacks.

4th possession, 2nd half
Runs - 6 for 41
Stafford - 3 for 3, 40 yds, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 0 sacks.
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harkin wrote: January 12th, 2022, 7:58 am
RAMFAN71 wrote: January 11th, 2022, 8:32 am I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.
Anyone who thinks McVay was trying to move the ball on that last drive is nuts, he was scared to death of a Stafford turnover and basically gave up and handed the rest of the clock to the defense.

Even though the running game was ‘going nowhere’, Stafford performed much better while they were still mixing in runs because it kept the D honest.

Look at the Ram possessions in the collapse against the Niners:

From kickoff to 1st possession of 2nd half
16 runs for 32 yds
Stafford - 15 for 17, 152 yds, 2 TDs, 1 sack, 0 INTs

2nd and 3rd possession, 2nd half
No running plays
1 for 6, 24 yds, 1 INT, 2 sacks.

4th possession, 2nd half
Runs - 6 for 41
Stafford - 3 for 3, 40 yds, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 0 sacks.
I don't think he was scared of a Stafford turnover. He was scared of a incomplete pass stopping the clock. He wanted the niners to burn their 3 timeouts. He thought, no way a injured hand JG can drive the length of the field in a minute with no timeouts.
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I thought that his strategy on the last drive in regulation was sound and I still think so. What head coach would've been thinking that his defense would collapse like that with a division title on the line at home?
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Cornell29 wrote: January 12th, 2022, 7:59 am
harkin wrote: January 12th, 2022, 7:58 am Anyone who thinks McVay was trying to move the ball on that last drive is nuts, he was scared to death of a Stafford turnover and basically gave up and handed the rest of the clock to the defense.

Even though the running game was ‘going nowhere’, Stafford performed much better while they were still mixing in runs because it kept the D honest.

Look at the Ram possessions in the collapse against the Niners:

From kickoff to 1st possession of 2nd half
16 runs for 32 yds
Stafford - 15 for 17, 152 yds, 2 TDs, 1 sack, 0 INTs

2nd and 3rd possession, 2nd half
No running plays
1 for 6, 24 yds, 1 INT, 2 sacks.

4th possession, 2nd half
Runs - 6 for 41
Stafford - 3 for 3, 40 yds, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 0 sacks.
I don't think he was scared of a Stafford turnover. He was scared of a incomplete pass stopping the clock. He wanted the niners to burn their 3 timeouts. He thought, no way a injured hand JG can drive the length of the field in a minute with no timeouts.
This^

Every damn HC in the NFL does the same thing in that situation…………..

Same complaining that he didn’t throw would be the same ones complaining if the pass was incomplete and McVay didn’t force them to use their last TO………
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29TheBest wrote: January 11th, 2022, 1:06 am He needs that ego to shrink a bit. He has definitely fallen back as far as a play caller, especially from 2018 and the famous Rams vs. Chiefs game. He needs to take a long look in the mirror and figure out what is different. I felt really good about the Stafford acquisition, but I think he has been hurt by Sean's play calling. What happened to the best 4th quarter comeback quarterback in the league when he was in Detroit? Sorry, but Snead needs to be asking the same questions, but all he see's is 12-5, which no doubt is great, but what could it be???
Someone reminded me what the problem is.....no Todd Gurley to suck the front 8 up into he line of scrimmage.
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NorCal RF wrote: January 12th, 2022, 10:19 am
Cornell29 wrote: January 12th, 2022, 7:59 am I don't think he was scared of a Stafford turnover. He was scared of a incomplete pass stopping the clock. He wanted the niners to burn their 3 timeouts. He thought, no way a injured hand JG can drive the length of the field in a minute with no timeouts.
This^

Every damn HC in the NFL does the same thing in that situation…………..

Same complaining that he didn’t throw would be the same ones complaining if the pass was incomplete and McVay didn’t force them to use their last TO………
I disagree, I see other teams call at least one pass, especially when the offense is up by one score. They usually run three times when they are up by more than a score or the other team will get the ball back with a very little amount of time....like 30 seconds. I don't think they should have thrown on 3rd down, but on 1st or 2nd, a play action quick pass is what I was yelling at the tv for. Yes, definitely a risk with how Stafford is playing, but if you throw it in the middle of the field for 5-7 yards and get it, the odds of getting a 1st down in that series improves. Besides, the way our D was giving up chunks of yards, I just felt the Rams Defense might not hold up. It looks like McVay decided to trust the Defense and not Stafford and the Offense.
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