8-67 Versus Winning Teams. That Can't Be <checking earpiece> I'm Actually Being Told That Is Correct.

[D-GenerationX]

After Deadspin's implosion, it came back in the form of Defector. Most of the good writers with a lot of the same tone to their stuff. Fun site.

Every year, Drew Magary does a series called 'Why Your Team Sucks'. It's a satirical look at a preview for each team, with letters from fans of that team published at the end. Most are pretty funny.

Anyway, Drew throws in a nugget about Matt Stafford, that I only assumed was some of his usual hyperbole, just to get a laugh. So I check it out. Nope...all very real.

What is Matt Stafford record against winning teams?

What is Matthew Stafford's record against winning teams? Since entering the NFL in 2009, Matthew Stafford is 8-67 (. 106) against teams that finished the season with a winning record. (Feb 17, 2021)

How is that even possible?

[Bulldawg]

After Deadspin's implosion, it came back in the form of Defector. Most of the good writers with a lot of the same tone to their stuff. Fun site.

Every year, Drew Magary does a series called 'Why Your Team Sucks'. It's a satirical look at a preview for each team, with letters from fans of that team published at the end. Most are pretty funny.

Anyway, Drew throws in a nugget about Matt Stafford, that I only assumed was some of his usual hyperbole, just to get a laugh. So I check it out. Nope...all very real.

What is Matt Stafford record against winning teams?

What is Matthew Stafford's record against winning teams? Since entering the NFL in 2009, Matthew Stafford is 8-67 (. 106) against teams that finished the season with a winning record. (Feb 17, 2021)

How is that even possible?

I would probably expand the statement just a little bit...

The LIONS are 8-67 against winning teams. That is what happens when a team was 0-16 the year before they drafted you. 0 and 16.

[D-GenerationX]

I would probably expand the statement just a little bit...

The LIONS are 8-67 against winning teams. That is what happens when a team was 0-16 the year before they drafted you. 0 and 16.

8 wins? In 12 years? C'mon, man. Can't dress that up.

I am still onboard with the trade. Jared Goff could not return. Well was too poisoned here.

But my question is this particular guy as the replacement. Forget Detroit. Go back to Georgia. Lost all his big games there too. Oh, lit it up against Kentucky. Showed Vanderbilt what was what. Florida? Alabama?? NOT SO MUCH.

This is more of a finger cross than a lot here let on. That's all. This will be no waltz to the SB.

And I PICKED THEM for the Super Bowl anyway!! So obviously, I need my own head examined.

[Ants]

After Deadspin's implosion, it came back in the form of Defector. Most of the good writers with a lot of the same tone to their stuff. Fun site.

Every year, Drew Magary does a series called 'Why Your Team Sucks'. It's a satirical look at a preview for each team, with letters from fans of that team published at the end. Most are pretty funny.

Anyway, Drew throws in a nugget about Matt Stafford, that I only assumed was some of his usual hyperbole, just to get a laugh. So I check it out. Nope...all very real.

What is Matt Stafford record against winning teams?

What is Matthew Stafford's record against winning teams? Since entering the NFL in 2009, Matthew Stafford is 8-67 (. 106) against teams that finished the season with a winning record. (Feb 17, 2021)

How is that even possible?

Last I looked, Stafford isn't a MLB pitcher.
He was a talented QB for a loser of a team.

[Ants]

After Deadspin's implosion, it came back in the form of Defector. Most of the good writers with a lot of the same tone to their stuff. Fun site.

Every year, Drew Magary does a series called 'Why Your Team Sucks'. It's a satirical look at a preview for each team, with letters from fans of that team published at the end. Most are pretty funny.

Anyway, Drew throws in a nugget about Matt Stafford, that I only assumed was some of his usual hyperbole, just to get a laugh. So I check it out. Nope...all very real.

What is Matt Stafford record against winning teams?

What is Matthew Stafford's record against winning teams? Since entering the NFL in 2009, Matthew Stafford is 8-67 (. 106) against teams that finished the season with a winning record. (Feb 17, 2021)

How is that even possible?

Last I looked, Stafford isn't a MLB pitcher.
He was a talented QB for a loser of a team.

[D-GenerationX]

Last I looked, Stafford isn't a MLB pitcher.
He was a talented QB for a loser of a team.

Played a lot of hard schedules, did they? Lot of big time match ups in prime time TV slots?

[Cornell29]

Let's see what his record will be, now that he is on the rams. It will be way better then that, which will further prove that a win/loss record alone, isn't a qb stat.

[Cornell29]

After Deadspin's implosion, it came back in the form of Defector. Most of the good writers with a lot of the same tone to their stuff. Fun site.

Every year, Drew Magary does a series called 'Why Your Team Sucks'. It's a satirical look at a preview for each team, with letters from fans of that team published at the end. Most are pretty funny.

Anyway, Drew throws in a nugget about Matt Stafford, that I only assumed was some of his usual hyperbole, just to get a laugh. So I check it out. Nope...all very real.

What is Matt Stafford record against winning teams?

What is Matthew Stafford's record against winning teams? Since entering the NFL in 2009, Matthew Stafford is 8-67 (. 106) against teams that finished the season with a winning record. (Feb 17, 2021)

How is that even possible?

Last I looked, Stafford isn't a MLB pitcher.
He was a talented QB for a loser of a team.

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When looking at a MLB pitcher, you dont look at his win/loss record by itself bc they could be on a horrible team. You look at era, whip, run support, batting pct against too.

Same with Stafford. Look at all his numbers, not just win/loss. I never heard of a qb who makes the HOF solely based off his win/loss stat.

[D-GenerationX]

Let's see what his record will be, now that he is on the rams. It will be way better then that, which will further prove that a win/loss record alone, isn't a qb stat.

Well, we have to hope, right?

I consistently said when Goff was here and people were obsessed with ripping him, that...look, he was the QB. Like it or not. Might as well rally around him. Team can't win unless he plays well.

I'd say the same thing here with Stafford. I'm all in.

I just see a lot of whistling past the graveyard from posters here. Like this is some sure thing. Which concerns me.

BTW, I have actual cash money down on :

- the over on Rams wins
- win the NFC West
- win the NFC
- win the SB
- Stafford MVP

So I am no hater. I just have questions. And I feel that puts me in the minority here.

[Bulldawg]

I would probably expand the statement just a little bit...

The LIONS are 8-67 against winning teams. That is what happens when a team was 0-16 the year before they drafted you. 0 and 16.

8 wins? In 12 years? C'mon, man. Can't dress that up.

I am still onboard with the trade. Jared Goff could not return. Well was too poisoned here.

But my question is this particular guy as the replacement. Forget Detroit. Go back to Georgia. Lost all his big games there too. Oh, lit it up against Kentucky. Showed Vanderbilt what was what. Florida? Alabama?? NOT SO MUCH.

This is more of a finger cross than a lot here let on. That's all. This will be no waltz to the SB.

And I PICKED THEM for the Super Bowl anyway!! So obviously, I need my own head examined.

Fair enough but if you don't have a defense you can only score so many points. I suffered through all of those losses. It was ugly. Maybe 2-3 you could point fingers at Stafford but most of them they didn't have a chance. Brady would not have done any better. I am one of the ones that believes assigning wins to a QB is fairly stupid since they don't play defense, catch the ball, or tackle. Stafford was 27-7 at UGA. Most QBs would be okay with that record.

On a good note...I am pretty sure he will double the 8 win record this year alone. ;-)

[D-GenerationX]

When looking at a MLB pitcher, you dont look at his win/loss record by itself bc they could be on a horrible team. You look at era, whip, run support, batting pct against too.

Same with Stafford. Look at all his numbers, not just win/loss. I never heard of a qb who makes the HOF solely based off his win/loss stat.

Fair.

But let's take this away from being "your team".

If this was some other team, in a market you didn't care about. They trade for a guy with a .106 winning pct against winning teams over 12 years. And they were making SB plans.

You don't give a bit of the side eye, at least? If you weren't emotionally involved in it playing out that way??

[RAMFAN71]

Steve Carlton won 27 games for the last place Phillies in 1972.

[RAMFAN71]

Sorry- just a stat I know. And I hate the Phillies. And I love the Rams and hope Stafford can get to winning with this Rams offense and McVay.

[Bulldawg]

When looking at a MLB pitcher, you dont look at his win/loss record by itself bc they could be on a horrible team. You look at era, whip, run support, batting pct against too.

Same with Stafford. Look at all his numbers, not just win/loss. I never heard of a qb who makes the HOF solely based off his win/loss stat.

Fair.

But let's take this away from being "your team".

If this was some other team, in a market you didn't care about. They trade for a guy with a .106 winning pct against winning teams over 12 years. And they were making SB plans.

You don't give a bit of the side eye, at least? If you weren't emotionally involved in it playing out that way??

You have a fair point and a reason to look at little side-eyed. I will tell you I watched every single one of those games. It was painful. I couldn't still be a Stafford fan if I thought it was his fault.

[Idaho_Ram]

For perspective, the Rams were 2-4 against teams with winning records last year in the reg season. The 8-67 stat is what you would expect from a guy on a team that lost a BUNCH of games over a decade.

[D-GenerationX]

You have a fair point and a reason to look at little side-eyed. I will tell you I watched every single one of those games. It was painful. I couldn't still be a Stafford fan if I thought it was his fault.

Certainly has talent. Crazy to say otherwise.

One tough SOB too. I would challenge anyone that disputed that. He's a tough, tough dude.

[Ramsfan08ny]

When looking at a MLB pitcher, you dont look at his win/loss record by itself bc they could be on a horrible team. You look at era, whip, run support, batting pct against too.

Same with Stafford. Look at all his numbers, not just win/loss. I never heard of a qb who makes the HOF solely based off his win/loss stat.

Fair.

But let's take this away from being "your team".

If this was some other team, in a market you didn't care about. They trade for a guy with a .106 winning pct against winning teams over 12 years. And they were making SB plans.

You don't give a bit of the side eye, at least? If you weren't emotionally involved in it playing out that way??

If Stafford and his 8-67 record against winning teams was traded to the 49ers, I would be damn pissed, worried, and dreading another trip to the SB for SF. THATS how I would eye it if he were to have gone elsewhere. I can guarantee you one thing about that 8-67 record. There wasn't more than a few 13-10 losses, and I would bet in plenty of those games the Lions scored more than 20.

[Cornell29]

Fair.

But let's take this away from being "your team".

If this was some other team, in a market you didn't care about. They trade for a guy with a .106 winning pct against winning teams over 12 years. And they were making SB plans.

You don't give a bit of the side eye, at least? If you weren't emotionally involved in it playing out that way??

If Stafford and his 8-67 record against winning teams was traded to the 49ers, I would be damn pissed, worried, and dreading another trip to the SB for SF. THATS how I would eye it if he were to have gone elsewhere. I can guarantee you one thing about that 8-67 record. There wasn't more than a few 13-10 losses, and I would bet in plenty of those games the Lions scored more than 20.

Agreed if the niners traded for Stafford, which Shanahan were planning on doing, I would be worried, despite his 8-67 record.

[NorCal RF]

8 wins? In 12 years? C'mon, man. Can't dress that up.

I am still onboard with the trade. Jared Goff could not return. Well was too poisoned here.

But my question is this particular guy as the replacement. Forget Detroit. Go back to Georgia. Lost all his big games there too. Oh, lit it up against Kentucky. Showed Vanderbilt what was what. Florida? Alabama?? NOT SO MUCH.

This is more of a finger cross than a lot here let on. That's all. This will be no waltz to the SB.

And I PICKED THEM for the Super Bowl anyway!! So obviously, I need my own head examined.

Are you just trying to get Brooklyn (Mike Shad) all riled up here?

Be ready...

Dont say I didnt warn you, DGen.

I was thinking the exact same thing lol.

It is a bit alarming. Not all can be blamed on bad Lions teams considering the QB is probably the biggest part of any team. But……..

Still glad we have him.

[NorCal RF]

When looking at a MLB pitcher, you dont look at his win/loss record by itself bc they could be on a horrible team. You look at era, whip, run support, batting pct against too.

Same with Stafford. Look at all his numbers, not just win/loss. I never heard of a qb who makes the HOF solely based off his win/loss stat.

Fair.

But let's take this away from being "your team".

If this was some other team, in a market you didn't care about. They trade for a guy with a .106 winning pct against winning teams over 12 years. And they were making SB plans.

You don't give a bit of the side eye, at least? If you weren't emotionally involved in it playing out that way??

You do if you are being honest……………

[D-GenerationX]

Are you just trying to get Brooklyn (Mike Shad) all riled up here?

Be ready...

Dont say I didnt warn you, DGen.

Seriously! Right?

I have put a LOT of chum in the water here.

[NN1Badboy]

C’mon man. What do you expect? You could put AD on the Lions and they would still suck on Defense. That team is pitiful. Dumbass Jared Goff thinks the Lions are going to win the NFC North. He is delusional. I’d make that wager any day of the week. I’d bet they come in dead last. It will be Green Bay, Minnesota, Chicago and then Detroit.

[NorCal RF]

A championship team that wants to win now...yeah, with a gapping hole up the middle the size of the LINCOLN TUNNEL! Right LEGEND!!!

Wait. You’re still around? The guy that threatened me and wanted to meet up for a fight?! Good one.

Do yourself a favor and go to another forum. No one here wants to hear you complain about our Center and Tutu, anymore. We know the issue, but we’ll be just fine.

Your show got old, very quick. Sorry pal

In support of you DM I agree why is he still around.

[D-GenerationX]

I think Stafford is a good QB. I've said so on many occasions. However, if you put Russel Wilson or Aron Rodgers on those Lions teams. They definitely do better then 8- 67. This alludes to some of my gripes with the trade. That Stafford, much like Goff needs everything around him to be a plus for him to win games. What I worry about this trade is it seems some have the mentality of what can the Rams do for Stafford when in reality it should be the other way around.

My personal prediction is 11 or 12 wins this year. If the Rams can exceed that all while Staff having a huge year I will absolutely love giving him his props.

Perfectly stated. Wouldn't change a word.

[Truth]

This is why I don't think Stafford will ultimately be a difference maker. He's never elevated a team he's played on. Then you get back to whether the Rams can build a good enough team around him given his cap number as a veteran QB, and I think that part will really be difficult to do.

I think he's in the class of comfort pocket QBs like Cousins, Cutler, Stafford, Ryan - where they'll put up stats but their teams are never that good.

I do think Stafford is better than Goff, but he's not a top 10 QB. He's an average QB, and if an average QB plays on a bad team, he'll have a bad record. If an average QB plays on a good team, he'll have a good record in theory.

[D-GenerationX]

This is why I don't think Stafford will ultimately be a difference maker. He's never elevated a team he's played on. Then you get back to whether the Rams can build a good enough team around him given his cap number as a veteran QB, and I think that part will really be difficult to do.

I think he's in the class of comfort pocket QBs like Cousins, Cutler, Stafford, Ryan - where they'll put up stats but their teams are never that good.

I do think Stafford is better than Goff, but he's not a top 10 QB. He's an average QB, and if an average QB plays on a bad team, he'll have a bad record. If an average QB plays on a good team, he'll have a good record in theory.

I'm in on every word of this one too.

[Idaho_Ram]

I really struggle with the "they have never elevated their team" logic. It's just SO HARD to prove who is elevating who. Jared Goff sucked under Fisher who sucked, and looked MVP-esque two years later. Did Goff "elevate those around him?" Most would say - McVay did the elevating.

Russell Wilson has had a fantastic career...he also played as a compliment to one of the best defenses of all time for a few of those years.

Aaron Rodgers sat behind a legend for THREE YEARS and then inherited a competitive team with pedigree when he did start.

There is no possible way to say that if you put Wilson or Rodgers in the exact shoes of Matt Stafford with Detroit that their careers look any different than his or if they are even still playing at this point.

In the end, you have the eyeball test. My eyeballs tell me that Stafford can sling the rock. My eyeballs also told me that Jared Goff could sling the rock...as well as make some mind-numbing decisions.

I remain excited about Stafford and expect him and the Rams to be successful.

[UtahRam]

If Stafford and his 8-67 record against winning teams was traded to the 49ers, I would be damn pissed, worried, and dreading another trip to the SB for SF. THATS how I would eye it if he were to have gone elsewhere. I can guarantee you one thing about that 8-67 record. There wasn't more than a few 13-10 losses, and I would bet in plenty of those games the Lions scored more than 20.

Agreed if the niners traded for Stafford, which Shanahan were planning on doing, I would be worried, despite his 8-67 record.

If the Niners had traded for Stafford I would have been worried until I heard he was 8-67 against wining teams and then I would have laughed my ass off...lol

[toast49]

Well Stafford gets zero excuses. He better be winning most of his games this season.

[RamPower]

Perfectly stated. Wouldn't change a word.

If Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers were Drafted 1st Overall by the God-Awful Lions in 2009 and stayed with them until 2020 they would have completely different careers.

A. They wouldn't have their shiny Super Bowl Rings on their fingers
B. There's no guarantee they would sit perennially within the top 5 of the position for the majority of their careers.

Having said that, Rodgers probably would have either demanded certain changes in Detroit, or forcefully pushed his way out of there. Two things Stafford is not wired to do or just didnt do.

But I can EASILY go along with Rodgers and Wilson being ranked ahead of Stafford as i currently have them both ranked ahead of him myself.

However, IMO, going forward:

Stafford 2021-2028 >>>> Russell Wilson 2021-2028
Stafford 2021-2028 >>>> Aaron Rodgers 2021- 2028

Russell is starting to feel the effects of the punishment and Aaron has 2 years left maybe 3 and a BIG maybe.

And 11 or 12 wins for a Stafford-led Rams in 21? About the same as our prognosis with Aaron or Russell. Personally i got Matt in the 12-13 range.

Yep.

So yeah, hard to say.

I mean the comparing Stafford to two first ballot HOF'ers for starters. Is Stafford one too? No, not at this point.

Would he be if he had played for those same Green Bay & SEA teams? That's the hard to say part. But I'm pretty sure he would have had a Super Bowl win with SEA when their run game and defense was so devastating. With Green Bay? Idk, quite possibly.

But regardless, he would be looked at quite a bit differently right now. The Lions have mostly sucked as a team. That defense, yikes. If he had the consistent defense he had for his playoff years, wow that record against winning teams would look a lot  different I'm quit sure.

The whole win/loss thing for QB's seems stupid to me overall. Whatever, I'm sure the right team can win a Super Bowl with M. Stafford. The Rams could very well be that team.