Rams D Scheme isn't the problem

[Cornell29]

The problem is the players. You can run multiple coverages and blitz packages from this scheme. Want proof? It's Vic Fangio scheme (He's the artitect) and it is very effective in philly. Also Vic knows how to run it perfectly. It is his scheme.

[Cornell29]

[Cornell29]

This is why Mcvay likes the scheme.

[NorCal RF]

The problem is the players. You can run multiple coverages and blitz packages from this scheme. Want proof? It's Vic Fangio scheme (He's the artitect) and it is very effective in philly. Also Vic knows how to run it perfectly. It is his scheme.

Agree, agree, agree. I’m a bit tired that some continue to feel some sort of “different” scheme needs to be played by this team. We have played 17 games. It is quite clear the problem is we have a bunch of secondary personal that simply are horrible in coverage and can’t play the position(s) at a NFL caliber level. These players are the ones that need to be held accountable for their sorry ass play……….

But hey any bets that the game day thread will have the same ones screaming again that it’s the scheme that is the issue………….

[DelMar]

No Scheme can fix our DB group.

I still cant even believe some of these dudes got drafted or picked up by a team, like us.

[RAMFAN71]

Crazy to me is the fact that Forbes had like a 2-3 game run where he looked elite almost. He was turning the corner(pun, yes). Then,....he regresses back to garbage. It is a real head scratcher- but he has proven himself off the rotation in 2026.

[Cornell29]

Crazy to me is the fact that Forbes had like a 2-3 game run where he looked elite almost. He was turning the corner(pun, yes). Then,....he regresses back to garbage. It is a real head scratcher- but he has proven himself off the rotation in 2026.

I'm hoping Q return gets him back on track. Q with the green dot will make adjustments when the opposing team audibles into a play that isolates Forbes without safety help. Which happened on both the tds Forbes gave up vs Carolina.

[Cornell29]

The importance of Q play on the field and pre snap adjustments

[DelMar]

The importance of Q play on the field and pre snap adjustments

Good grief...

Interesting fact... Do you know what game it was when this D took the nose dive on week 13?

Yep, the team we are playing Saturday. Carolina Panthers.

So, we can either be cup half full, and take Truths comments to us that we are Rah Rah fella fans, and say something like 'lets go back and reset here and learn from week 13, win the game and build on it'

OR....

we can be cup half empty fans (like some in here) and be like 'This D is complete garbage and their true colors showed and were exposed on week, 13, and has been exposed ever since the Nov 30th debacle. Stick a fork in us, Rams are done'

I choose Rah Rah here my man, Lets use Nov 30th to give us the juice we need to show the world that we are champs, and we can beat anyone. Sure, have had some issues and we know our DB group is pretty much D2 college level BS, BUT, lets own TOP, win the turn over battle and not give Carolina a chance to get back in this game.

So fine, RAH RAH me all day long then.

[ocram23]

No Scheme can fix our DB group.

I still cant even believe some of these dudes got drafted or picked up by a team, like us.

shocking that we didn't address this in the offseason

[GlendoraRam]

If you notice in the video, the DB’s aren’t playing 10-12 off the LOS. Ours do and they give receivers and clean break off the line allowing them to get into their routes with ease.
Or, they simply run short crossing routes for 5-10 yards and then get big YAC.

[Cornell29]

If you notice in the video, the DB’s aren’t playing 10-12 off the LOS. Ours do and they give receivers and clean break off the line allowing them to get into their routes with ease.
Or, they simply run short crossing routes for 5-10 yards and then get big YAC.

Either Shula isn't coaching them right, or since the cbs are weaker than the eagles, they are giving them a bigger cushion, or the players just aren't executing it properly

With that said, the scheme Mcvay wants is sound and productive as proven by the artitect of it Vic Fangio, when coaches and played properly with the right talent.

[Jacksnow]

The forum is funny how we fluctuate between is it the coach or the player? For example, Pete Carol IMO was the scape goat for lack of players. You put any coach in with current Raiders roster and they would also be fired.

So do we love Shula or hate him?

[DelMar]

The forum is funny how we fluctuate between is it the coach or the player? For example, Pete Carol IMO was the scape goat for lack of players. You put any coach in with current Raiders roster and they would also be fired.

So do we love Shula or hate him?

On Shula: Can I tell you Saturday after the game?



Coaches: I was alluding to this yesterday… coaches are only as good as their QB. I can think of many average coaches, but did well and stayed a long time mainly because they had a franchise QB. Like Dan Campbell, without Goff, or a QB like that, I think Dan would have lasted 2 seasons at best.

Then you have good coaches, yet they can’t find a QB, and they just sort of fizzle out.

I’ll just come out and say this here, but I’m not sure how McVay would perform without a top tier QB. He runs a difficult to run offense, and your average QB couldn’t handle it. Am I wrong? Remember how frustrated Sean got in Goff’s last year, when Goff put up below average numbers?.

Side story: What’s interesting about the Harbaugh firing is that I was reading today that he and Lamar had a bit of a falling out and Lamar had suggested that he’d be fine w a new coach.

[NorCal RF]

The forum is funny how we fluctuate between is it the coach or the player? For example, Pete Carol IMO was the scape goat for lack of players. You put any coach in with current Raiders roster and they would also be fired.

So do we love Shula or hate him?

I’ve always been rather consistent in here on this subject. Players play period. Your job as a coach is to put your players in the best position to succeed on game day. As well as make those at the moment decisions during the game. Again being a coach forever, yes baseball not football, I never forgot that I’m as good as my players other than I feel a really good coach can create a few more wins in a season just by how he handles his players and yes those in game decisions………

But make no mistake it’s about the players. I didn’t think I was any different of a coach during a 1-19 season than a championship season other than I felt I became even a better coach during the 1-19 season just by how I handled such a season. But my players talents was the main difference in almost all seasons…….

Shula? I think he is a good coach at this point in his career but not a great one. I feel he coaches to the limitations of his players and coaches accordingly to place them in that “position to succeed” to win. It’s not news to him that this current secondary sucks. It is IMO why we see the damn soft coverage. He knows man to man the possibility of them getting beat for big scores is a high percentage. I would bet he would rather do something different a lot of times but again my bet is he does what he does to place them in that………

[Jacksnow]

The forum is funny how we fluctuate between is it the coach or the player? For example, Pete Carol IMO was the scape goat for lack of players. You put any coach in with current Raiders roster and they would also be fired.

So do we love Shula or hate him?

I’ve always been rather consistent in here on this subject. Players play period. Your job as a coach is to put your players in the best position to succeed on game day. As well as make those at the moment decisions during the game. Again being a coach forever, yes baseball not football, I never forgot that I’m as good as my players other than I feel a really good coach can create a few more wins in a season just by how he handles his players and yes those in game decisions………

But make no mistake it’s about the players. I didn’t think I was any different of a coach during a 1-19 season than a championship season other than I felt I became even a better coach during the 1-19 season just by how I handled such a season. But my players talents was the main difference in almost all seasons…….

Shula? I think he is a good coach at this point in his career but not a great one. I feel he coaches to the limitations of his players and coaches accordingly to place them in that “position to succeed” to win. It’s not news to him that this current secondary sucks. It is IMO why we see the damn soft coverage. He knows man to man the possibility of them getting beat for big scores is a high percentage. I would bet he would rather do something different a lot of times but again my bet is he does what he does to place them in that………

Well said Norcal.

[Jacksnow]

The forum is funny how we fluctuate between is it the coach or the player? For example, Pete Carol IMO was the scape goat for lack of players. You put any coach in with current Raiders roster and they would also be fired.

So do we love Shula or hate him?

On Shula: Can I tell you Saturday after the game?



Coaches: I was alluding to this yesterday… coaches are only as good as their QB. I can think of many average coaches, but did well and stayed a long time mainly because they had a franchise QB. Like Dan Campbell, without Goff, or a QB like that, I think Dan would have lasted 2 seasons at best.

Then you have good coaches, yet they can’t find a QB, and they just sort of fizzle out.

I’ll just come out and say this here, but I’m not sure how McVay would perform without a top tier QB. He runs a difficult to run offense, and your average QB couldn’t handle it. Am I wrong? Remember how frustrated Sean got in Goff’s last year, when Goff put up below average numbers?.

Side story: What’s interesting about the Harbaugh firing is that I was reading today that he and Lamar had a bit of a falling out and Lamar had suggested that he’d be fine w a new coach.

Well said Delmar.

[GSOT89]

our DB's will do good, lets support them, be positive!!

[brasilrams]

Good thread. The issue here is that they’re trying to run a scheme that requires good players to work. You could argue that’s true for any scheme, but this one in particular absolutely depends on having talent.

And the reality is: we don’t have a single good corner. Not one. They’re all TRASH. So you have two options. Either you adjust the scheme to at least try to hide the lack of talent, or you acquire actual talent through the draft or free agency.

What you can’t do is keep forcing a scheme when you clearly don’t have the horses to make it work. How long are they going to insist on this?

Aren’t they tired of watching every mediocre QB carve this defense up and have a career day in almost every damn game?

[brasilrams]

The forum is funny how we fluctuate between is it the coach or the player? For example, Pete Carol IMO was the scape goat for lack of players. You put any coach in with current Raiders roster and they would also be fired.

So do we love Shula or hate him?

I’ve always been rather consistent in here on this subject. Players play period. Your job as a coach is to put your players in the best position to succeed on game day. As well as make those at the moment decisions during the game. Again being a coach forever, yes baseball not football, I never forgot that I’m as good as my players other than I feel a really good coach can create a few more wins in a season just by how he handles his players and yes those in game decisions………

But make no mistake it’s about the players. I didn’t think I was any different of a coach during a 1-19 season than a championship season other than I felt I became even a better coach during the 1-19 season just by how I handled such a season. But my players talents was the main difference in almost all seasons…….

Shula? I think he is a good coach at this point in his career but not a great one. I feel he coaches to the limitations of his players and coaches accordingly to place them in that “position to succeed” to win. It’s not news to him that this current secondary sucks. It is IMO why we see the damn soft coverage. He knows man to man the possibility of them getting beat for big scores is a high percentage. I would bet he would rather do something different a lot of times but again my bet is he does what he does to place them in that………

The current scheme is ALSO getting beat for big plays and big scores constantly . He needs to change . If it is even worse than what it is now , then , go back to what it is now but what if it works better ? The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. To me , it is insanity what they are doing here . Every damn game the scheme is the same , the secondary is the same and they ALWAYS SUCK . So ..... Blitz more , play man to man more , take a RISK , do SOMETHING .

[brasilrams]

Crazy to me is the fact that Forbes had like a 2-3 game run where he looked elite almost. He was turning the corner(pun, yes). Then,....he regresses back to garbage. It is a real head scratcher- but he has proven himself off the rotation in 2026.

I'm hoping Q return gets him back on track. Q with the green dot will make adjustments when the opposing team audibles into a play that isolates Forbes without safety help. Which happened on both the tds Forbes gave up vs Carolina.

Okay, so who is wearing the green dot since Lake got hurt?
If he wasn’t making the necessary adjustments after the QB audibled and changed the play, shouldn’t Shula have called a timeout — especially in a critical situation like that 4th-and-8 against Carolina?

Shouldn’t Shula have considered giving the green dot to another player?

What keeps happening is this: they watch the QB audible out of the original play, then they watch whoever is wearing the green dot do absolutely nothing — and then… they also do nothing on the sideline.

I know our CBs are terrible, but I can’t put all the blame on them. Shula and the coaching staff share responsibility for this epic failure of the secondary in the second half of the season.

[Cornell29]

I'm hoping Q return gets him back on track. Q with the green dot will make adjustments when the opposing team audibles into a play that isolates Forbes without safety help. Which happened on both the tds Forbes gave up vs Carolina.

Okay, so who is wearing the green dot since Lake got hurt?
If he wasn’t making the necessary adjustments after the QB audibled and changed the play, shouldn’t Shula have called a timeout — especially in a critical situation like that 4th-and-8 against Carolina?

Shouldn’t Shula have considered giving the green dot to another player?

What keeps happening is this: they watch the QB audible out of the original play, then they watch whoever is wearing the green dot do absolutely nothing — and then… they also do nothing on the sideline.

I know our CBs are terrible, but I can’t put all the blame on them. Shula and the coaching staff share responsibility for this epic failure of the secondary in the second half of the season.

Nate Landman

[Fatboy]

I just wish they would learn to tackle better ! Or at least try and trip them. They get grabby when the ball is in the air, but when the receiver has the ball they don't seem to want to touch them ! For some reason that seems wrong. -- the Fatboy

[RAMFAN71]

That stat line is so crazy and so out of whack to me. How do we go from 2nd, 1st, 1st to.....31st after week 12? Cannot tell me that QL is soooo good,,,and sooo great at making adjustments for the team that we drop that far without him. It's great we are getting him back, but that drop is EXAVTLY what we fans have witnessed and what some of us been saying about Forbes going from elite to prob the worst in a manner of weeks. WTF. I have to blame SOME of this on coaching? But somehow these guys play like a bunch of 15 year olds without Lake telling them what to do? So Strange. And.....adding Akello was gas on the fire. He needs to be on the bench at all times.

[Jacksnow]

I just wish they would learn to tackle better ! Or at least try and trip them. They get grabby when the ball is in the air, but when the receiver has the ball they don't seem to want to touch them ! For some reason that seems wrong. -- the Fatboy

This! Don't allow yards gained after the catch. One arm tackles have got to end.

[brasilrams]

Okay, so who is wearing the green dot since Lake got hurt?
If he wasn’t making the necessary adjustments after the QB audibled and changed the play, shouldn’t Shula have called a timeout — especially in a critical situation like that 4th-and-8 against Carolina?

Shouldn’t Shula have considered giving the green dot to another player?

What keeps happening is this: they watch the QB audible out of the original play, then they watch whoever is wearing the green dot do absolutely nothing — and then… they also do nothing on the sideline.

I know our CBs are terrible, but I can’t put all the blame on them. Shula and the coaching staff share responsibility for this epic failure of the secondary in the second half of the season.

Nate Landman

Well, perhaps they should give to someone else .. .I mean lame ahluld get it now but I mean before..it was not working well with Landman.

[Jacksnow]

This is a dumb question but who is the team leader on defense? Let alone green dot. Maybe I don't pay attention but I haven't seen a dominate leader. You know the guy taking names. Picking players up. Getting in players faces?

We saw how AD literally changed the dynamics of games and saved games.

[NorCal RF]

I’ve always been rather consistent in here on this subject. Players play period. Your job as a coach is to put your players in the best position to succeed on game day. As well as make those at the moment decisions during the game. Again being a coach forever, yes baseball not football, I never forgot that I’m as good as my players other than I feel a really good coach can create a few more wins in a season just by how he handles his players and yes those in game decisions………

But make no mistake it’s about the players. I didn’t think I was any different of a coach during a 1-19 season than a championship season other than I felt I became even a better coach during the 1-19 season just by how I handled such a season. But my players talents was the main difference in almost all seasons…….

Shula? I think he is a good coach at this point in his career but not a great one. I feel he coaches to the limitations of his players and coaches accordingly to place them in that “position to succeed” to win. It’s not news to him that this current secondary sucks. It is IMO why we see the damn soft coverage. He knows man to man the possibility of them getting beat for big scores is a high percentage. I would bet he would rather do something different a lot of times but again my bet is he does what he does to place them in that………

The current scheme is ALSO getting beat for big plays and big scores constantly . He needs to change . If it is even worse than what it is now , then , go back to what it is now but what if it works better ? The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. To me , it is insanity what they are doing here . Every damn game the scheme is the same , the secondary is the same and they ALWAYS SUCK . So ..... Blitz more , play man to man more , take a RISK , do SOMETHING .

Change to what? It’s game 18. You don’t think he hasn’t played every scheme that he thinks will work with this personnel?………

Why is it so hard for some to understand that it’s not the scheme that has receivers running wide open. Run any scheme you want, any. Hell we can suggest to him hey Chris I think you should do this, and the opposing receivers will still be wide open. Why? Talent of players in secondary! Why? Talent of players in secondary……

Oh and it is not who is wearing the green dot…….

And why the all of a sudden negativity on Landman by some? He has had a damn good season for us…….

Hey I enjoy our back n forth, n you are a damn good poster, but saying it’s scheme well JMO it is no way in hell scheme at this point in season………

[RAMFAN71]

The current scheme is ALSO getting beat for big plays and big scores constantly . He needs to change . If it is even worse than what it is now , then , go back to what it is now but what if it works better ? The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. To me , it is insanity what they are doing here . Every damn game the scheme is the same , the secondary is the same and they ALWAYS SUCK . So ..... Blitz more , play man to man more , take a RISK , do SOMETHING .

Change to what? It’s game 18. You don’t think he hasn’t played every scheme that he thinks will work with this personnel?………

Why is it so hard for some to understand that it’s not the scheme that has receivers running wide open. Run any scheme you want, any. Hell we can suggest to him hey Chris I think you should do this, and the opposing receivers will still be wide open. Why? Talent of players in secondary! Why? Talent of players in secondary……

Oh and it is not who is wearing the green dot…….

And why the all of a sudden negativity on Landman by some? He has had a damn good season for us…….

Hey I enjoy our back n forth, n you are a damn good poster, but saying it’s scheme well JMO it is no way in hell scheme at this point in season………

I agree the CBs suck. I think the S are ok. I like Curl...Kinchens has potential. Just wondering how you square the week 12 plummet with "these guys just suck and can't play" How is it that it took week 12? Same guys....minus QL who gets hurt.

[bigklein]

Life was better when Curl, Kinchens, and Lake were operating together. Much like McVay relies on Stafford, Shula relies on Lake.

And a shutdown corner is needed.