The big Trade--Stafford versus Goff

[Rammo]

The trade has been hugely successful in my opinion
Stafford--33 TD's 9 Int's 3898 yards
Goff--14 TD's 8 Int's 2791 yards
More importantly Stafford passes the eye test and is able to deliver the deep throws and all the throws even when pressured while Goff was basically useless when pressured.
Stafford moves in the pocket well while Goff looked like an awkward, clumsy baby animal with legs too long when pressured
Stafford interacts with the team even when having a bad game while Goff went and sat by himself and pouted
Stafford inspires the team.......Goff not so much
Stafford still has a few good years left in him--Goff has not been good for years

I love the trade-who needs F-in first round picks!!

[Rammer]

The trade has been hugely successful in my opinion
Stafford--33 TD's 9 Int's 3898 yards
Goff--14 TD's 8 Int's 2791 yards
More importantly Stafford passes the eye test and is able to deliver the deep throws and all the throws even when pressured while Goff was basically useless when pressured.
Stafford moves in the pocket well while Goff looked like an awkward, clumsy baby animal with legs too long when pressured
Stafford interacts with the team even when having a bad game while Goff went and sat by himself and pouted
Stafford inspires the team.......Goff not so much
Stafford still has a few good years left in him--Goff has not been good for years

I love the trade-who needs F-in first round picks!!

Is Stafford better than Goff? yes. who needs first round picks? every team. Has the trade been hugely successful? Last season, this week we had just beaten the cards 38-28 and were 8-4. This season we have just beaten the Cards 30-23 and are 9-4. Not much difference at all. So, if we did the trade to make our team better, we need to wait and see. The jury is still out on the trade.

[Rammer]

Is Stafford better than Goff? yes. who needs first round picks? every team. Has the trade been hugely successful? Last season, this week we had just beaten the cards 38-28 and were 8-4. This season we have just beaten the Cards 30-23 and are 9-4. Not much difference at all. So, if we did the trade to make our team better, we need to wait and see. The jury is still out on the trade.

Jury is not out IMO. Because of Stafford we have a more than decent chance to win the Super Bowl this year and next. With Goff of recent vintage we had ZERO chance. Good and NECESSARY trade.

Goff getting to SB while he earned 5M off the salary cap is an invalid comparison. Now that we're all adults and Goff is earning adult money (35 million) he is nowhere near worth it.

So, the guy I just watched throw ugly pick sixes for 3 straight weeks gives us more than a decent chance. I got it now, thanks.

[D-GenerationX]

This trade was not made for the regular season.

And of course Stafford has way better numbers than Goff this year. Look at their respective supporting casts.

Can't judge this trade until after the season when the big games are played.

[Rammo]

Goff cost us a chance to win a Super Bowl-Stafford can be the difference maker to lead us to one and then actually win it.

[toast49]

Well Stafford is proving himself on the field more often than not. Stafford vs Goff in numbers this season has Stafford as the better QB by far. There's a lot to factor in though including those 2 1st round picks and the 3rd round pick. Maybe a few seasons from now it will be clearer overall, but right now who knows. The Rams look to be in pretty good shape for a couple runs at the Lombardy trophy this year and next. After that we'll see.

[whatever]

Past money spent on Goff is gone and we had to account for it regardless of whether he stayed or left. Goff is scheduled to earn $51.8M in 2021 & 2022 combined. Goff has a non-guaranteed contract for $25.6M and $26.6M in 2023 and 2024. Those were the important numbers.

Moving on from Goff doesn't save us $35M per year.

[Rammo]

The money for Stafford versus Goff is not a big difference and the draft picks are late first rounders and we can easily make up for the talent by drawing in veterans who want to play for a Super Bowl contender. The example is NE when Brady was there or TB now-vets go play there for less to have a shot at winning the whole Enchilada.LA is a big draw-the new stadium is a big draw and hopefully playing with Stafford and on a potential SB team is also a huge draw.

[Rammer]

So, the guy I just watched throw ugly pick sixes for 3 straight weeks gives us more than a decent chance. I got it now, thanks.

If you think Goff is anywhere near the QB Stafford is you dont understand Football anyway. Cant help ya....

Don't put words in my mouth, it's more complicated than simply who is the better qb. Someone with your extensive football knowledge should know that. We lost 2 future first round picks that if you were so hell bent on trading we could have traded them for other talent. Second, you keep talking about the contract but we actually have a bigger cap hit for Goff in 2021 than if we had kept him -So getting rid of him actually hurt the cap situation this year. Then we add Stafford's pay to that.

Detroit parted with an aging qb that they never won weren't ever going to because he's 33 and they were just going all in on a total rebuild. So, they got Goff for now but aren't tied to him long term if they don't want to be. They can get rid of him in 2023. They are all loaded up with draft picks and can decide what to do with qb in 2023.

So, yep, you are right. We took them to the cleaners on this one sided deal. We don't have to wait and see what happens, it is clear that we won the trade big time, no question at all.

[Rammer]

The money for Stafford versus Goff is not a big difference and the draft picks are late first rounders and we can easily make up for the talent by drawing in veterans who want to play for a Super Bowl contender. The example is NE when Brady was there or TB now-vets go play there for less to have a shot at winning the whole Enchilada.LA is a big draw-the new stadium is a big draw and hopefully playing with Stafford and on a potential SB team is also a huge draw.

You're right about the huge draw but Stafford ain't Brady. Not even close.

[Cornell29]

“Last season, this week we had just beaten the cards 38-28 and were 8-4. This season we have just beaten the Cards 30-23 and are 9-4. Not much difference at all.”

But Arizona is better than they were last year.

Rams had the number 1 defense last year and it help carry the team to many of those wins.

Goff does not play defense.
The rams offense this year is way better than last year. It's not even close. Rams qb play is way better then last year. Again not even close. Rams offense last year had one of the better rushing attacks, which they do not have this year. This year the offense is mostly driven by qb play.

[Rammer]

Don't put words in my mouth, it's more complicated than simply who is the better qb. Someone with your extensive football knowledge should know that. We lost 2 future first round picks that if you were so hell bent on trading we could have traded them for other talent. Second, you keep talking about the contract but we actually have a bigger cap hit for Goff in 2021 than if we had kept him -So getting rid of him actually hurt the cap situation this year. Then we add Stafford's pay to that.

Detroit parted with an aging qb that they never won weren't ever going to because he's 33 and they were just going all in on a total rebuild. So, they got Goff for now but aren't tied to him long term if they don't want to be. They can get rid of him in 2023. They are all loaded up with draft picks and can decide what to do with qb in 2023.

So, yep, you are right. We took them to the cleaners on this one sided deal. We don't have to wait and see what happens, it is clear that we won the trade big time, no question at all.

We didnt take them to the cleaners. Now you're putting words in my mouth.

The trade was simply absolutely necessary for the Rams in order to try and win a Title in the Aaron Donald era.

Goff and those picks wouldn't have got it done IMO because Goff doesn't CARRY teams to Championships, teams (2018 Rams) carry GOFF to Championships, and ONLY THEN if Goff is making Rookie-Deal money.

True about Goff but Stafford carries teams to championships? tell that to all those fired lions coaches. Sorry, I need to see him do it.

[Rammer]

True about Goff but Stafford carries teams to championships? tell that to all those fired lions coaches. Sorry, I need to see him do it.

Stafford is good enough that HE doesn't have to be carried to a Championship. And dont give me that Lions crap.

It isn't crap. It's called his NFL career. We can't just pretend it didn't happen ... And there is a huge difference between carrying a team and not needing to be carried. I agree that Stafford probably doesn't need to be carried in the way Goff probably would have to. There is no doubt that with Goff, the Rams would have had to do it differently. Longer drives, better game management, more running and play action, ball control, etc. He couldn't do some of what Stafford does. But some of those things that they had to do with Goff in the last couple of years may have made them a better team. It kept the defense off the field, kept McVay from getting too pass happy, etc. Now it's like they have a new toy and McVay can't resist himself.

[Timking124]

If we wanted (we shouldn't) we could probably could trade stafford and recoup most, if not all, of the draft picks from the Goff trade

We clearly won, regardless of the outcome we had to improve at QB and we did. Our star players only have so much time left in their primes and stafford was the best QB available that we can get.

I'd do this trade 10/10 times

[Cornell29]

If we wanted (we shouldn't) we could probably could trade stafford and recoup most, if not all, of the draft picks from the Goff trade

We clearly won, regardless of the outcome we had to improve at QB and we did. Our star players only have so much time left in their primes and stafford was the best QB available that we can get.

I'd do this trade 10/10 times

Agreed

Like you said, I wouldn't do it, but if the rams wanted to, they could trade Stafford in 2022 and easily get back 2 first rounders.

[Rammo]

Stafford is a top five QB in the entire NFL this year-huge win for this trade. The first round picks we traded may take years to pay off or may never pay off. We got a win now QB for the next few seasons with a window to win the SB each year Stafford is the QB. Goff has regressed or the league figured him out whichever. He went from a middle of the road QB who could throw a pretty pass when the pocket was clean to a bottom tier QB with zero hope of leading a team anywhere. The Rams had no hope of being anything more than a pretender contender. McVay has built a dynasty and he needed the QB to run his offense in a way that would be explosive enough to win games when the defense was not on their "A" game. The MO for this McVay/Snead regime is go for it now and we'll figure out tomorrow later-I'm all in on that philosophy and love how our team has benefitted from the move back to LA and the coaching hire of McVay. Snead has a lot of baggage from the Fisher days-bad drafts etc. but he has adopted the McVay mentality like a champion and I personally love that any top tier talent that becomes available the Rams are in on it!!

[Bulldawg]

This chart explains why the Rams took a chance on Stafford. They had no other way to get an available QB for AD in his prime. It doesn't mean they will make it to the Promise Land, but they at least swung for the fence. We could suck in 4 years, but we could have also sucked in 4 years with a couple more draft picks. No one will ever know. AD is a generational player. I would do the trade again as well.

[Rammo]

This chart explains why the Rams took a chance on Stafford. They had no other way to get an available QB for AD in his prime. It doesn't mean they will make it to the Promise Land, but they at least swung for the fence. We could suck in 4 years, but we could have also sucked in 4 years with a couple more draft picks. No one will ever know. AD is a generational player. I would do the trade again as well.

Not just the generational talent of AD but JR as well plus AW is no slouch at LT either. We have some future hall of fame players at LT, DB and DL plus Cooper Kupp is making a name for himself as well. Add a potential HOF QB like Stafford and you can win the SB any year. Keep Goff and you probably are never making it again. I know Goff got us there in 2018 but that was when we still had Gurley and CJ had a monster game against the Cowboys. Once Gurley was gone any opposing teams that had a decent pass rush made Goff look really out of sorts and McVay just could not overcome or put up with it any longer.

[Cornell29]

Not just the generational talent of AD but JR as well plus AW is no slouch at LT either. We have some future hall of fame players at LT, DB and DL plus Cooper Kupp is making a name for himself as well. Add a potential HOF QB like Stafford and you can win the SB any year. Keep Goff and you probably are never making it again. I know Goff got us there in 2018 but that was when we still had Gurley and CJ had a monster game against the Cowboys. Once Gurley was gone any opposing teams that had a decent pass rush made Goff look really out of sorts and McVay just could not overcome or put up with it any longer.

And dont forget the BIGGEST factor, Goff was on a ROOKIE CONTRACT. Goff make the Super Bowl getting paid like a veteran? No chance.

Another great point. Goff isn't good enough to get paid that contract. Goff needs alot of help, no way the rams can keep the players around him at a high enough level and pay Goff his contract.