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Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2021, 11:59 am
Thank goodness. In Tennessee he is out of the West and the NFC.

NN1Badboy wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:52 am WOW. Is that all he's worth? And we couldn't come up with that?

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 12:14 pm

Rammer wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 11:11 am Jones is about three years past his prime. The rams actually showed restraint and didn't over pay. I am impressed.

I really don't think restraint had anything to do wtih it. This team traded a 1st for Cooks who isn't even close to what Jones is as a player. I'm pretty sure this team is about as tapped out as it gets when it comes to the cap. If they could, they would have.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 12:14 pm

Rammer wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 11:11 am Jones is about three years past his prime. The rams actually showed restraint and didn't over pay. I am impressed.

I really don't think restraint had anything to do wtih it. This team traded a 1st for Cooks who isn't even close to what Jones is as a player. I'm pretty sure this team is about as tapped out as it gets when it comes to the cap. If they could, they would have.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 1:52 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 1:46 pm They showed restraint. The rams could have did the deal. They have a 2nd rounder next year and they could have redid Stafford deal and cut Hekker. They realized they already have a solid receiving core, already invested 2 2nd rounders into the wr core and right now Jones would be a luxury pick.

When the rams traded for Cooks they did it to replace Watkins. Cooks was also much younger. The only proven wr the rams had at the time was Woods.
The rams now have two proven wrs in Kupp and Woods, invested 2 2nd rounders in VJ and Atwell and a proven boom or bust guy in D Jack.

Jones would have been a luxury.

No, they have no cap space. Tennessee is taking on all of Jones contract which I'm sure played a role in the Rams not being able to aquire Jones. If you have a example of they could fit his contract I'm interested to see it.

As for our recievers. Fact is we are hoping VJ, Atwell and Jackson make a significant impact. As with Jones you are aquiring a top 10 NFL reciever of all time arguably. That's not a luxury thats a move that would put us on par with the Chiefs and Bucs which currently we are not. That said, aquiring Jones was never a realistic optioj by in large.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:05 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 1:56 pm Rams have signed most of their rookies and have 7 million of cap space. Rams could have got more cap space after redoing Stafford contract and cutting Hekker. The rams dont need to match the chiefs and bucs wr core because they want to continue to use a heavy dose of Cam and the running game. Rams wr core is still top 10 imo.

Well there have already been some reports Stafford doesn't want to mess with his contract yet. Even by cutting Hekker I'm not sure they have the cap. Especially considering what Jones is owed.

As for our recievers. Sure they are top 10 but that doesn't change the fact our offense still has limitations for big plays. There is a absolutely no doubt in my mind if they could have, they would have.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:16 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:11 pm No the rams are not the big play offense that the chiefs are. I believe they can be more in line with Tampa after acquiring Stafford and speed in D Jack.
Chiefs were 5th in pass/run ratio. Tampa was 10th. Rams were 25th. Rams team is more built around running then the chiefs and tampa offenses.
The way contracts are written with voided years, the rams could have made enough room if they wanted too.

The Rams were built for the run because our pass pro was suspect and outside of Woods and Kupp our recievers were limtited last year. I highly doubt the Rams wanted a offense ranked 23rd because of design. The Bucs and Chiefs were also in the Superbowl. Sooooo obviously what they were doing worked! Let's call a spade a spade here!

You're also ignoring the fact the Rams inquired about Jones. So they did have some interest but as I alluded to already ATL was not wanting to eat any of Jones cap. That's not restraint, that's logistics. It is what it is.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:45 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:37 pm Never said what the chiefs and bucs were doing was wrong. I said the rams offense was built differently. The rams 2018 team made the SB too and their pass/run ratio was 55%, the same as it was last year. Its clear that Mcvay offense wasn't built to pass as much as the chiefs or bucs.

The rams didn't want a offense ranked 23rd thats why they made the qb change.
Many teams inquired about Jones and like the rams they showed restraint when they felt the price was too high.

Let me get this straight...

We traded a 2nd for Peters

We traded 2 first for Ramsey

We traded a first for Cooks

We traded 2 first, 3rd and Goff for Stafford

But a 2nd for Jones is where we draw the line. Nevermind the fact getting Jones for a 2nd is the best value of all these trades. Yeah sorry man, but that doesn't quite add up from a pragmatic view point.

It's pretty clear cap was the biggest infringement of this trade not happening.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 3:05 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:56 pm Traded a 2nd for Peters who was young and talented and the rams needed a starting corner.
2 First for Ramsey bc he was young and greatly talented and the rams needed a starting corner.
Traded a 1st for Cooks who was young, talented and the rams only proven wr was Woods at the time.
Traded 2 1sts and Goff for Stafford bc the qb position is arguably the most important on offense, Mcvay and Goff marriage was over. Mcvay loves Stafford.
Mcvay like the Niners, Seattle, and Cards and many other teams inquired about Jones but felt for his age and money he wasn't worth the draft capital.
If the rams didn't have Kupp or Woods. Imo the rams make the deal. Enough need wasn't there for the wr position to justify the move.

We'll agree to disgree. Teams don't inquire if they don't feel like they can improve a position. Do you think the Chiefs inquire about other QBs for example? Of course not. Atlanta also made it known they wanted to trade Jones to the AFC. It's entirely possible other teams offered similar deals and ATL got him out of confrence. Your entitled to your opinion but muc of what you are saying is speculation more then offering reasonable reason as to why the trade didn't happen. So unless you can confirm for sure what team did or didn't offer your statement is opinion and not fact.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 3:16 pm

DMRamFan wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 3:13 pm

Who said we’d go to SB w this guy? Come on, that’s just silly business. He’s out of his prime. I think he has now caught the injury bug. I think he and DeSean would have had conflict. Would he have helped us? Yes, maybe… but we would have spent all our cap and begging for more players to restructure AND give up more pics? So basically we wouldn’t be ‘on the clock’ till the 5th round in what 2025 or whatever?! Nope. Thx for shoppping.

We’re fine at Receiver. Let’s spend the excess cash on spots we really need.

You know this HR.

I'm saying we would be bonafide contenders with this guy. And is there any proof he's out of his prime? Because last year he was as good as he's ever been. I don't understand the need to make stuff to prove some of your guys view point. We can be real and still disagree with certain things.

We do need receivers. Why do you think the Rams spent anouther 2nd roundee on one and brought in Jackson? It wasn't because the Rams were happyw ith what we have I can assure you that.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 3:21 pm

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 3:19 pm Of course it's speculation. We are both just giving our opinions.

Then you should work on stating such.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 3:20 pm Appearntly Ramsey doesn't know what he's talking about either...

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/ja ... ones-trade

Talent knows talent. Whers I disagree with Jalen however is the logistics which is why Tennessee was able to aquire Jones.

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 2:05 pm

That's not a luxury thats a move that would put us on par with the Chiefs and Bucs which currently we are not.

Just another of your BS posts. I know your not a huge Stafford fan, but as you'll see, he'll be a huge upgrade over your boy Goff and with that being said, the Rams were on par with TB last season...you really don't think a huge upgrade at QB at least puts them in the ballpark with KC and TB?

As for our recievers. Sure they are top 10 but that doesn't change the fact our offense still has limitations for big plays. There is a absolutely no doubt in my mind if they could have, they would have.

Once again, you're not grasping how good Stafford is on big plays down the field. And with the additions of Jackson and Atwell, the Rams won't be short of explosives this season. Take that to the bank

but that doesn't change the fact our offense still has limitations for big plays

Cornell29 wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 1:46 pm

HellRam wrote: ↑June 7th, 2021, 12:14 pm I really don't think restraint had anything to do wtih it. This team traded a 1st for Cooks who isn't even close to what Jones is as a player. I'm pretty sure this team is about as tapped out as it gets when it comes to the cap. If they could, they would have.

They showed restraint. The rams could have did the deal. They have a 2nd rounder next year and they could have redid Stafford deal and cut Hekker. They realized they already have a solid receiving core, already invested 2 2nd rounders into the wr core and right now Jones would be a luxury pick.

When the rams traded for Cooks they did it to replace Watkins. Cooks was also much younger. The only proven wr the rams had at the time was Woods.
The rams now have two proven wrs in Kupp and Woods, invested 2 2nd rounders in VJ and Atwell and a proven boom or bust guy in D Jack.

Jones would have been a luxury.

NorCal RF wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:17 am Once again someone is being disagreed by most on a particular subject and the forum becomes a bunch of “nut jobs”. Or we are obsessing on other’s opinions when only one continues to reply back and disagree on every point that doesn’t agree with theirs. Someone needs to learn the definition of “obsessing” The “facts” may.................

HellRam wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:56 am

Skyhook wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:48 am So true. Rarely does anyone on this board agree with his ridiculous takes and basically he never backs up his BS with anything of substance...but it's US that are the "nut jobs"

Just last week he was trying to sell us that Goff and Stafford have similar builds because they weigh the same....and even better, he was preaching that as far as QB builds, Goff is above average.

OMFG

Well they do whether you like it or not.

Still waiting for your dumbass to provide proof that they dont....

DMRamFan wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:40 am

NorCal RF wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 9:17 am Once again someone is being disagreed by most on a particular subject and the forum becomes a bunch of “nut jobs”. Or we are obsessing on other’s opinions when only one continues to reply back and disagree on every point that doesn’t agree with theirs. Someone needs to learn the definition of “obsessing” The “facts” may.................

Where you been NC? Thought you have time off this summer. Or did you just get tired of the off season chatter of basically nothing stuff we chatter about here these days. ;)

DMRamFan wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 2:14 pm

NorCal RF wrote: ↑June 8th, 2021, 11:05 am Actually dm my daughter had emergency surgery a few weeks ago and our focus has been her since. We have her back home with us, after a week in the hospital, as she recuperates. Still have a ways to go but we are getting there.

I’m sorry to hear this NC. I’ll pray she’s ok.