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Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:36 pm**

Bottom post of the previous page:

Tampa taking Brady’s backup. If he doesn’t play, they’ll hype him up like Jimmy G and flip him for a 1st down the road

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:37 pm**

UplandRam wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:22 pm Definitely a reach in my opinion. As far as I can tell, he wasn’t projected to be in the top 3 rounds. Rarely do I hate the Rams picks. I hate this pick.

They said if not for an injury, he would have been a first rounder...

Michael’s called it a smart pick, no longer can teams just stack the box... and that teams don’t press much any more, or can they hit like they used to, so hopefully his size doesn’t matter.

They said some teams were checking to see if he was melting away...

We’ll see... lol

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:37 pm**

Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:36 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:31 pm so now you are comparing Devonte Smith who is 6'0 and 170lbs to Tutu who is 5'9 155...........really???
They're both small.
Atwell won't be asked to do nearly the volume that Smith will. I think it's fair to point out.

no it's not Smith was #1 WR in the draft by many analysts out there. this is not even close

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:39 pm**

Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:36 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:31 pm so now you are comparing Devonte Smith who is 6'0 and 170lbs to Tutu who is 5'9 155...........really???
They're both small.
Atwell won't be asked to do nearly the volume that Smith will. I think it's fair to point out.

Smith is pretty skinny too, despite being 4 inches taller he is only 15 pounds heavier.

Tutu best compares to Marquise Brown who was 5-9 166 pounds when he was drafted.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:39 pm**

RGtheFirst wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:37 pm
UplandRam wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:22 pm Definitely a reach in my opinion. As far as I can tell, he wasn’t projected to be in the top 3 rounds. Rarely do I hate the Rams picks. I hate this pick.
They said if not for an injury, he would have been a first rounder...

Michael’s called it a smart pick, no longer can teams just stack the box...

We’ll see... lol

For those who say he was a reach. Todd McShay had him as high as 33 in one of his recent mocks

Most fans who’ve been paying attention to mock drafts and the Jacksonville Jaguars know by now that the team very well could snag a speed threat at receiver in the 2021 NFL Draft. With this in mind, ESPN’s Todd McShay slotted the Jags Louisville speedster Tutu Atwell at pick No. 33 in his latest mock draft, which caused mixed feelings from the fanbase.

Days after the mock, McShay further explained his top-4 selections for the Jags with picks 1, 25, 33, and 45. His comrade for many years, Mel Kiper Jr. joined him for the segment and also gave his analysis on Atwell — a player who he believes would help presumptive No. 1 pick, Trevor Lawrence, tremendously.

“When you watch him play, I know he’s below 160 [pounds] and is small, but he’s really explosive and is a touchdown waiting to happen in the open field,” said Kiper. “I think when you look at his hands and elusiveness when the ball is in his hands, he fits today’s game perfectly — the space game. That’s Tutu Atwell and that’s why he’d be a fear factor player down there in Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence.”

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:39 pm**

Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:36 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:31 pm so now you are comparing Devonte Smith who is 6'0 and 170lbs to Tutu who is 5'9 155...........really???
They're both small.
Atwell won't be asked to do nearly the volume that Smith will. I think it's fair to point out.

Devonta Smith isn’t small. He’s fairly average size for a WR. Same size as Torry Holt.

Just admit you had no idea how tall Devonta was and spouted off in an ignorant way to defend the Rams.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:42 pm**

Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:38 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:37 pm no it's not Smith was #1 WR in the draft by many analysts out there. this is not even close
That's my point. A guy who's 170 is going to be asked to be a number one WR?
Tutu's gonna be a lower rotation guy and KR.

VJ barely played last year and you think this guy will play???? with the addition on DJ??? not going to happen.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:47 pm**

Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:39 pm
RGtheFirst wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:37 pm They said if not for an injury, he would have been a first rounder...

Michael’s called it a smart pick, no longer can teams just stack the box...

We’ll see... lol
For those who say he was a reach. Todd McShay had him as high as 33 in one of his recent mocks

Most fans who’ve been paying attention to mock drafts and the Jacksonville Jaguars know by now that the team very well could snag a speed threat at receiver in the 2021 NFL Draft. With this in mind, ESPN’s Todd McShay slotted the Jags Louisville speedster Tutu Atwell at pick No. 33 in his latest mock draft, which caused mixed feelings from the fanbase.

Days after the mock, McShay further explained his top-4 selections for the Jags with picks 1, 25, 33, and 45. His comrade for many years, Mel Kiper Jr. joined him for the segment and also gave his analysis on Atwell — a player who he believes would help presumptive No. 1 pick, Trevor Lawrence, tremendously.

“When you watch him play, I know he’s below 160 [pounds] and is small, but he’s really explosive and is a touchdown waiting to happen in the open field,” said Kiper. “I think when you look at his hands and elusiveness when the ball is in his hands, he fits today’s game perfectly — the space game. That’s Tutu Atwell and that’s why he’d be a fear factor player down there in Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence.”

Yeah, all of those guys liked the pick... speed speed and more speed... 4.27 I think they said, fastest receiver in the draft...

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:49 pm**

Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Truth wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:39 pm Devonta Smith isn’t small. He’s fairly average size for a WR. Same size as Torry Holt.

Just admit you had no idea how tall Devonta was and spouted off in an ignorant way to defend the Rams.
Holt outweighed Smith by 20 pounds. Holt was a true number one WR.

And you're telling me I don't know something?

Yeah Holt was 6 foot and around 192 pounds when he was drafted. No comparison.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:52 pm**

Speed is only useful if he can get off the LOS. Not easy at 155 lbs. A jet sweep toy I think.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:53 pm**

Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Truth wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:39 pm Devonta Smith isn’t small. He’s fairly average size for a WR. Same size as Torry Holt.

Just admit you had no idea how tall Devonta was and spouted off in an ignorant way to defend the Rams.
Holt outweighed Smith by 20 pounds. Holt was a true number one WR.

And you're telling me I don't know something?

Devonta Smith is also a #1 WR. It’s why he went in the top 10. Most WRs can and will put on weight. That’s not the problem, Tutu’s problem is he’s 5’8. That’s not tall enough to play on the outside. If you are 5’8, you’re probably only in the slot and only doing gadget plays or returning kicks. I wouldn’t use a 2nd rd pick on a guy like that.

Likewise, when you got tiny WRs, that means the QB has to be even more pinpoint accurate bc the catch radius of a 5’8 player is a so small.

It’s just a pointless pick. Even if you wanted a KO/PR, you wouldn’t use a 2nd rounder.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:54 pm**

Rams since '66 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:52 pm Speed is only useful if he can get off the LOS. Not easy at 155 lbs. A jet sweep toy I think.

The commentator said no one was able to jam him at the LOS bc he was so fast.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:56 pm**

Truth wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:53 pm
Dick84 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:44 pm Holt outweighed Smith by 20 pounds. Holt was a true number one WR.

And you're telling me I don't know something?
Devonta Smith is also a #1 WR. It’s why he went in the top 10. Most WRs can and will put on weight. That’s not the problem, Tutu’s problem is he’s 5’8. That’s not tall enough to play on the outside. If you are 5’8, you’re probably only in the slot and only doing gadget plays or returning kicks. I wouldn’t use a 2nd rd pick on a guy like that.

Likewise, when you got tiny WRs, that means the QB has to be even more pinpoint accurate bc the catch radius of a 5’8 player is a so small.

It’s just a pointless pick. Even if you wanted a KO/PR, you wouldn’t use a 2nd rounder.

So drafting a similar player to Marquise Brown is pointless? I definitely disagree with that.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:56 pm**

Went at looked at some other boards to see opinion of our first pick.

I’d say it’s about 75/25 negative.

This was the most positive one I found:

“•Brings legitimate deep-ball danger to the field.

•Breakaway speed as home-run hitter with a stack of long TDs to his name.

•Touchdowns of 50-plus yards are piled high during his career.

•Multiple touchdowns on pop pass (jet sweep).

•Shows ability to slam brakes and open quickly oncomeback routes.

•Easy separation burst from his turns.

•Hits second and third gear on post routes.

•Above-average awareness and footwork near boundaries.

•Had to leave some production on field due to quarterback play.

•Over-the-shoulder ball-tracking talent.”

The most negative ones were all a variation of ‘sh*t pick’, many referencing Tavon plus passing on Bolton and Humphrey.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 6:58 pm**

Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:56 pm
Truth wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:53 pm Devonta Smith is also a #1 WR. It’s why he went in the top 10. Most WRs can and will put on weight. That’s not the problem, Tutu’s problem is he’s 5’8. That’s not tall enough to play on the outside. If you are 5’8, you’re probably only in the slot and only doing gadget plays or returning kicks. I wouldn’t use a 2nd rd pick on a guy like that.

Likewise, when you got tiny WRs, that means the QB has to be even more pinpoint accurate bc the catch radius of a 5’8 player is a so small.

It’s just a pointless pick. Even if you wanted a KO/PR, you wouldn’t use a 2nd rounder.
So drafting a similar player to Marquise Brown is pointless? I definitely disagree with that.

I sincerely hope I am wrong but on a team that is loaded at WR and where there are many other needs you don't go out and draft a 5'8 WR.......I think you could have gotten him later.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:02 pm**

ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:58 pm
Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:56 pm So drafting a similar player to Marquise Brown is pointless? I definitely disagree with that.
I sincerely hope I am wrong but on a team that is loaded at WR and where there are many other needs you don't go out and draft a 5'8 WR.......I think you could have gotten him later.

Rams philosophy since 2017 wasn't to only draft for the upcoming year but also draft for the years after. Why would they change their philosophy now after having good success with it?

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:04 pm**

Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:02 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:58 pm I sincerely hope I am wrong but on a team that is loaded at WR and where there are many other needs you don't go out and draft a 5'8 WR.......I think you could have gotten him later.
Rams philosophy since 2017 wasn't to only draft for the upcoming year but also draft for the years after. Why would they change their philosophy now after having good success with it?

they are built for now not for future years. it's all about now. This pick does not scream now...JMO

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:05 pm**

Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:54 pm
Rams since '66 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:52 pm Speed is only useful if he can get off the LOS. Not easy at 155 lbs. A jet sweep toy I think.
The commentator said no one was able to jam him at the LOS bc he was so fast.

We'll see at the next level. I hope the commentator is right.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:06 pm**

Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:02 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 6:58 pm I sincerely hope I am wrong but on a team that is loaded at WR and where there are many other needs you don't go out and draft a 5'8 WR.......I think you could have gotten him later.
Rams philosophy since 2017 wasn't to only draft for the upcoming year but also draft for the years after. Why would they change their philosophy now after having good success with it?

That philosophy would reinforce going for an IOL or ILB as they are pretty much all UFA after this season.

I think McVay gets first shot for his offense and then they start paying attention to actual needs. Not a sound approach, IMO.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:06 pm**

ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:04 pm
Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:02 pm Rams philosophy since 2017 wasn't to only draft for the upcoming year but also draft for the years after. Why would they change their philosophy now after having good success with it?
they are built for now not for future years. it's all about now. This pick does not scream now...JMO

They did use picks this year to build for now. His name is Jalen Ramsey. Rams will use some picks for now and some for later. It isn't realistic to depend on a late 2nd round rookie to help you win now, no matter who the player is. Especially a rookie center like some here wanted.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:09 pm**

Cornell29 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:06 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:04 pm they are built for now not for future years. it's all about now. This pick does not scream now...JMO
They did use picks this year to build for now. His name is Jalen Ramsey. Rams will use some picks for now and some for later. It isn't realistic to depend on a late 2nd round rookie to help you win now, no matter who the player is. Especially a rookie center like some here wanted.

you and I will just have to agree to disagree. 2nd round pick should have some impact on a team. I would agree with you at the WR position but not true at other positions.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:43 pm**

Perkins is gone but Cox still there, Meirnez too.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:45 pm**

Trade with SF???

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:47 pm**

Trade down and I just wasted my night.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:47 pm**

Yep

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:48 pm**

88 for 117 and 121

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:48 pm**

So our draft class is TuTu and a collection of 3rd day picks

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:49 pm**

perfect rams just traded with the 49ers.....day keeps getting better

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 7:51 pm**

Truth wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:48 pm So our draft class is TuTu and a collection of 3rd day picks

Still have pick 103...

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 8:01 pm**

Been expecting a trade down; surprised it is with SF. Just gave them a RB with our pick 88.

Hope we find some additional talent.

TuTu is awesome; can't teach speed. Jet sweeps, deep routes, and flanker screens. Defenses will have to account for him. Arizona has one of these guys and now so do we.

Posted: **April 30th, 2021, 8:06 pm**

Mike Schad 1st Rd wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:52 pm
ocram23 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2021, 7:49 pm perfect rams just traded with the 49ers.....day keeps getting better
Good trade. We got 117 + 121 for 88. They KNOW what they're doing.

I guess I am old school where trading with your division rival IS NOT A GOOD THING.

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