Who was plan B?

[Cornell29]

The relationship between Mcvay and Goff was damaged beyond repair. If the rams didn't land Stafford, who was plan B. Watson legal troubles makes him unattainable. Rodgers never became available. Who would they had targeted?

Who would you have targeted if Stafford wasn't available?

[Cornell29]

As always, great Post 29...

This is tough. But I think Goff would have stayed another year if Stafford and McVay didnt get together for drinks in Cabo.

There really wasnt much else at the time. There are only maybe 10 franchise QB's in the entire planet.

McVay's offense as we know, takes a while to set up and can be extremely complex and is complicated. He really needed a QB that had been around a while and understood the game. Actually, I honestly think that Stafford has issues w some of the plays, like he just is challenged like he's never been challenged before.

Not many QB's can handle this offense. Even Stafford has issues w 12 years of NFL experience.

Let me ask you this, if Stafford just blows Mondays ngts games... throws 3 pics again... what would you do if you were Snead... (the reason why I asked about Snead is because would you consider changing coaches, the QB or what..?

I can tell you the QB's coming out of college this year are slim pickens... Maybe the worst QB class I have seen in a decade. Seems to be more of a year for OL and LB's.

I thought Goff too, but from what I've been reading, Mcvay and Goff relationship was beyond repair.

If Stafford sucks Monday, the rams could trade him to Carolina, Washington, Denver etc and at the very least get a 1st and a 4th.

[Cornell29]

I thought Goff too, but from what I've been reading, Mcvay and Goff relationship was beyond repair.

If Stafford sucks Monday, the rams could trade him to Carolina, Washington, Denver etc and at the very least get a 1st and a 4th.

And if this happened... could we not only get some high draft pics back, but also see a Russell Wilson or Rodgers in a RAM uniform next season?

ANYTHING is possible.

I mean last season at this time, we all thought we were totally married to Goff. We just extended him and I personally thought NO ONE would pick up that contract. How could we get rid of that contract? thought for sure Goff was staying until one day the writing was on the wall. I even posted a post stating... The Divorce is coming' remember that? I got so much heat for it. But it happened and we divorced. #thankyoulions

Shoot, we just brought back Weddle from the grave today. WHO THOUGHT that was going to happen? Or Rams love to surprise us. Not always good, but def surprised.

I doubt Seattle or Packers trade their qb to the rams, but Watson (after a 4 or so game possible suspension becomes a option) rams dont fear taking chances on players with a questionable back ground and he'll be cheap in a trade if the Texans don't straight cut him next year.(depending on what the investigation uncovers and what his suspension is)

With that said, I think Stafford will kill it in the playoffs.

[Cornell29]

I doubt Seattle or Packers trade their qb to the rams, but Watson (after a 4 or so game possible suspension becomes a option) rams dont fear taking chances on players with a questionable back ground and he'll be cheap in a trade if the Texans don't straight cut him next year.(depending on what the investigation uncovers and what his suspension is)

With that said, I think Stafford will kill it in the playoffs.

Do you know how many massage parlors are in LA?

Not a good idea.

Lol

[Cornell29]

Not at all.

Trading up to the middle of the first is far different from trading for the 1st overall. You're comparison couldn't be more absurd in that regard. It probably would have taken 3 first to do it, and one could argue how good of a deal that would be or wouldn't be.

But for the sake of fun. I went with Jones because I like his style and thinks he develops into a pretty good QB.

So you're saying, the 2 1sts we gave up for Stafford, we trade into the 1st Round Top 15? Maybe possible but probably cost more, I agree that Mac is a great prospect.

Rumor was the skins wanted Goff

2 first and Goff would have been enough to get the rams in position for Mac, imo

Report: Washington made calls to LA about Jared Goff before Stafford trade | RSN https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/fo ... ford-trade

[brasilrams]

If Stafford is bad Monday, (loses AND throws picks) yes, I put him on this Winter's trading block. If Stafford doesn't get to the Final Four this year or next, I'm not giving him a new Contract, only the Franchise Tag for 1 year would be on the table. As it stands, I'm already looking out for our next, young, ATHLETIC Franchise Quarterback. If Stafford wins SB this year or next he gets a "thank you" 5 year Contract.

Pretty much how I see it too . I was expecting better decision making from Stafford ( a vet ) and a reduced number of turnovers , didn't get that . BUT , I got this :

Last year's offense:

4014 passing yards (13th in NFL)
20 passing TDs (26th in NFL)
6.5 net yards per attempt (16th)
372 points (22nd in NFL)

This year:
4141 passing yards (6th in NFL)
36 passing TDs (2nd in NFL)
7.3 net passing yards per attempt (2nd)
416 points (6th in NFL)

So , at least to me . So far , worth the upgrade . And we need to remember : no akers and no woods for half of the season.

[Cornell29]

If Stafford plays bad in the playoffs. I'm flipping him for a 1st and 4th and cutting the rams losses. Highest bidder between the Saints, Denver, Carolina, Browns, Redskins, Giants etc

Mcvay will need to find a more practical option moving forward.

With that said, imo Stafford will shine in the playoffs

[RAMFAN71]

This thread seems to think or imply Stafford is a problem like Goff was a problem. Crazy talk. I take Stafford every day over a draft pick which will result in an unproven rookie. The guy is really good. His stats show it too. Maybe give him more time to crap the bed? We won the west. Rogers for Stafford....ok. I'm good with that. Eventually we will need to move on. But not just because he loses the game Monday. He's not Goff. Not yet at least.

[cdaly26]

What happens with Stafford's contract after this season? If, for some reason, they want to move on - are the Rams on the hook for any of his salary? When do they have to pull the trigger (or not) - assuming they won't franchise him for a year...

[Cornell29]

What happens with Stafford's contract after this season? If, for some reason, they want to move on - are the Rams on the hook for any of his salary? When do they have to pull the trigger (or not) - assuming they won't franchise him for a year...

The rams could trade Stafford after the year and not be on the hook for a dime. 0 dead money.

[malibu]

If Stafford is bad Monday, (loses AND throws picks) yes, I put him on this Winter's trading block. If Stafford doesn't get to the Final Four this year or next, I'm not giving him a new Contract, only the Franchise Tag for 1 year would be on the table. As it stands, I'm already looking out for our next, young, ATHLETIC Franchise Quarterback. If Stafford wins SB this year or next he gets a "thank you" 5 year Contract.

Pretty much how I see it too . I was expecting better decision making from Stafford ( a vet ) and a reduced number of turnovers , didn't get that . BUT , I got this :

Last year's offense:

4014 passing yards (13th in NFL)
20 passing TDs (26th in NFL)
6.5 net yards per attempt (16th)
372 points (22nd in NFL)

This year:
4141 passing yards (6th in NFL)
36 passing TDs (2nd in NFL)
7.3 net passing yards per attempt (2nd)
416 points (6th in NFL)

So , at least to me . So far , worth the upgrade . And we need to remember : no akers and no woods for half of the season.

This is based on extra game and the OL was horrible last year. Those stats were not worth what we paid for imo. Like a poster said 13 years in the league you would think Stafford would not make these type of mistakes 8 ints in 4 games. That will never fly in the playoffs period.

In terms of the post there were not a lot of good plan B's as shown by what each team ended up doing. We jumped in first and that was basically it of any value. No one felt Mac Jones was as good as he was when coming out he was the 5th QB off the board.

As it pertains to next year I am very skeptical of Stafford I don't feel he is the answer. What is he just going to stop making all these stupid mistakes I don't think so and you all got to agree. The QB of the future is not on this roster. It is not in the draft either imo. Maybe Wilson, Rodgers or Watson but each has issues whether it's past their prime, age, or court issues/maturity. We have other issues that need addressing most of our LBs and OL are FAs, what to do about OBJ or Miller because honestly I like both and their are other issues. First and foremost is how Stafford performs in the playoffs.

[CierraRam]

Mac Jones would have been my guy.

Then there's this.

I looked at the guy and thought... no way does this guy become a solid NFL QB.

He's really surprised me this season. I think a ton of it is the coach too.

You know, I watched the Tom Brady thing from NFL films about him being drafted in the 6th round and that fueled Brady more than anything to succeed. In that documentary it was discussed what teams are looking for in QB's. And I was like, really??? No wonder they miss more than they hit. If I am a scout, I am looking at arm strength for sure... then going str8 to the intangibles... Comeback wins... moxy... leadership... Brady had all of them in college. I dont think I would be taking a guy from Alabama when he doesnt have to face a lot of adversity. Not in the first round anyway. Mac only had one season as a starter... This time the scouting the way that they do it seems to have worked out...The Pats got lucky...again.

[ocram23]

Mac Jones would have been my guy.

Then there's this.

I looked at the guy and thought... no way does this guy become a solid NFL QB.

He's really surprised me this season. I think a ton of it is the coach too.

just curious guys how on earth would we have drafted Jones??? considering we don't have a 1st round pick for 10 yrs.

[Cornell29]

Then there's this.

I looked at the guy and thought... no way does this guy become a solid NFL QB.

He's really surprised me this season. I think a ton of it is the coach too.

just curious guys how on earth would we have drafted Jones??? considering we don't have a 1st round pick for 10 yrs.

I'll play along with the hypothetical trade

The skins did call the rams in hopes of trading for Goff. I posted a link earlier in the thread.

Rams would have to trade Goff (and his contract) and their 2022 1st rounder for the skins 1st rounder.

Then trade 1st rounder, that the rams got from the skins and the rams 2023 1st rounder to the Jets for their 1st rounder and draft Mac

Rams would have got out of Goff Contract, saving alot of money, lost 2022 and 2023 1st rounders and got Mac Jones on the cheap for the next 4 to 5 years.

[ocram23]

just curious guys how on earth would we have drafted Jones??? considering we don't have a 1st round pick for 10 yrs.

I'll play along with the hypothetical trade

The skins did call the rams in hopes of trading for Goff. I posted a link earlier in the thread.

Rams would have to trade Goff (and his contract) and their 2022 1st rounder for the skins 1st rounder.

Then trade 1st rounder, that the rams got from the skins and the rams 2023 1st rounder to the Jets for their 1st rounder and draft Mac

Rams would have got out of Goff Contract, saving alot of money, lost 2022 and 2023 1st rounders and got Mac Jones on the cheap for the next 4 to 5 years.

huge hypothetical. don't see Wash giving them a high 1st rounder for Goff. But I guess it's ok to dream

[brasilrams]

Pretty much how I see it too . I was expecting better decision making from Stafford ( a vet ) and a reduced number of turnovers , didn't get that . BUT , I got this :

Last year's offense:

4014 passing yards (13th in NFL)
20 passing TDs (26th in NFL)
6.5 net yards per attempt (16th)
372 points (22nd in NFL)

This year:
4141 passing yards (6th in NFL)
36 passing TDs (2nd in NFL)
7.3 net passing yards per attempt (2nd)
416 points (6th in NFL)

So , at least to me . So far , worth the upgrade . And we need to remember : no akers and no woods for half of the season.

This is based on extra game and the OL was horrible last year. Those stats were not worth what we paid for imo. Like a poster said 13 years in the league you would think Stafford would not make these type of mistakes 8 ints in 4 games. That will never fly in the playoffs period.

In terms of the post there were not a lot of good plan B's as shown by what each team ended up doing. We jumped in first and that was basically it of any value. No one felt Mac Jones was as good as he was when coming out he was the 5th QB off the board.

As it pertains to next year I am very skeptical of Stafford I don't feel he is the answer. What is he just going to stop making all these stupid mistakes I don't think so and you all got to agree. The QB of the future is not on this roster. It is not in the draft either imo. Maybe Wilson, Rodgers or Watson but each has issues whether it's past their prime, age, or court issues/maturity. We have other issues that need addressing most of our LBs and OL are FAs, what to do about OBJ or Miller because honestly I like both and their are other issues. First and foremost is how Stafford performs in the playoffs.

It is the same OL As last year, they might rank a little better this year but it is the exact same guys . Stafford has 41 tds ( not 36 actually) . Goff had 20. So with one extra game you think Goff would be able to get to 41 tds? So in one extra game he would score 21 tds to tie with staff ?

Not to mention Goff had woods and Akers and a much better defense last year.

Worth.
The.
Trade.

[brasilrams]

This is based on extra game and the OL was horrible last year. Those stats were not worth what we paid for imo. Like a poster said 13 years in the league you would think Stafford would not make these type of mistakes 8 ints in 4 games. That will never fly in the playoffs period.

In terms of the post there were not a lot of good plan B's as shown by what each team ended up doing. We jumped in first and that was basically it of any value. No one felt Mac Jones was as good as he was when coming out he was the 5th QB off the board.

As it pertains to next year I am very skeptical of Stafford I don't feel he is the answer. What is he just going to stop making all these stupid mistakes I don't think so and you all got to agree. The QB of the future is not on this roster. It is not in the draft either imo. Maybe Wilson, Rodgers or Watson but each has issues whether it's past their prime, age, or court issues/maturity. We have other issues that need addressing most of our LBs and OL are FAs, what to do about OBJ or Miller because honestly I like both and their are other issues. First and foremost is how Stafford performs in the playoffs.

Those numbers aren’t even accurate. Rams have more TD passes and yards this year.

True. It is 41 tds and 4886 yards

[Rammo]

Plan B for 2022 is a full offseason of Stafford and McVay putting together the greatest Rams offense since the GSOT.

[Cornell29]

I'll play along with the hypothetical trade

The skins did call the rams in hopes of trading for Goff. I posted a link earlier in the thread.

Rams would have to trade Goff (and his contract) and their 2022 1st rounder for the skins 1st rounder.

Then trade 1st rounder, that the rams got from the skins and the rams 2023 1st rounder to the Jets for their 1st rounder and draft Mac

Rams would have got out of Goff Contract, saving alot of money, lost 2022 and 2023 1st rounders and got Mac Jones on the cheap for the next 4 to 5 years.

huge hypothetical. don't see Wash giving them a high 1st rounder for Goff. But I guess it's ok to dream

I have the Rams are giving a 2022 1st and Goff for the Skins first.

[Rammer]

Plan B? There is no plan B. I wasn't for it but we bet the house on Stafford. So anyway, why are you talking trade now. What happened to this magical 5 year window that everyone said we had with Stafford?

[RAMFAN71]

Plan B? There is no plan B. I wasn't for it but we bet the house on Stafford. So anyway, why are you talking trade now. What happened to this magical 5 year window that everyone said we had with Stafford?

No- if he throws a few ints and has a couple bad games, then we have to rebuild. Despite winning the west and having the stats for a top 5-10 QB

[KBLOCK]

And if this happened... could we not only get some high draft pics back, but also see a Russell Wilson or Rodgers in a RAM uniform next season?

ANYTHING is possible.

I mean last season at this time, we all thought we were totally married to Goff. We just extended him and I personally thought NO ONE would pick up that contract. How could we get rid of that contract? thought for sure Goff was staying until one day the writing was on the wall. I even posted a post stating... The Divorce is coming' remember that? I got so much heat for it. But it happened and we divorced. #thankyoulions

Shoot, we just brought back Weddle from the grave today. WHO THOUGHT that was going to happen? Or Rams love to surprise us. Not always good, but def surprised.

I doubt Seattle or Packers trade their qb to the rams, but Watson (after a 4 or so game possible suspension becomes a option) rams dont fear taking chances on players with a questionable back ground and he'll be cheap in a trade if the Texans don't straight cut him next year.(depending on what the investigation uncovers and what his suspension is)

With that said, I think Stafford will kill it in the playoffs.

Aaron wouldn't cost anything. He will be a free agent.

[malibu]

Here's next year's plan B if Stafford flames out in the playoffs. Make super hard pitch to Rodgers (we have the talent, coaches, and we are in LA) jettison Stafford for a first and whatever we can get there are a ton of QB needy teams this off-season and not alot of options in FA and this year especially in the draft. It will cost us a boatload for him but the team will know they got someone that can win it all no questions asked.

[Cornell29]

I doubt Seattle or Packers trade their qb to the rams, but Watson (after a 4 or so game possible suspension becomes a option) rams dont fear taking chances on players with a questionable back ground and he'll be cheap in a trade if the Texans don't straight cut him next year.(depending on what the investigation uncovers and what his suspension is)

With that said, I think Stafford will kill it in the playoffs.

Aaron wouldn't cost anything. He will be a free agent.

He signed through 2022. 2023 is the void able year. He can get out if his contract before 2023 trading period. So if Green Bay has any plans on moving him it would be via trade this upcoming offseason. After 2022 season, he can void out before GB can trade him.

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported that Rodgers will make close to $50 million over the last two years of his deal. The renegotiation with the Packers didn't add any new money to Rodgers' deal.

Year Total value
2021 $22.4 million
2022 $26.9 million
However, Pelissero also reports that the final year of Rodgers' contract voids on the seventh day before the 2023 league year, which usually begins in March ahead of free agency. That's one day after the franchise tag deadline, so that means Rodgers cannot be slapped with a franchise tag in 2023; he'll technically be under contract before that window closes.

As such, Rodgers will be a true free agent in 2023 at the latest. That would be ahead of his age-40 season. However, this deal also could force the Packers to move on from Rodgers during the 2022 NFL offseason depending on how things play out.

[Commish]

Plan B? There is no plan B. I wasn't for it but we bet the house on Stafford. So anyway, why are you talking trade now. What happened to this magical 5 year window that everyone said we had with Stafford?

Matthew Stafford was acquired to lead the Rams to a Super Bowl victory, the only team success that Jared Goff had proven unable to achieve as our team's QB.

Given the drafting and salary-cap situations facing the Good Guys in the upcoming offseason, not to mention their 2022 schedule, Safford had damn well better do so next month in SB LVI... ;) :? :geek:

ram pathos...

--The Commish