McVay's immaturity has broken this team...

[HIhorns]

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I don't think he was scared of a Stafford turnover. He was scared of a incomplete pass stopping the clock. He wanted the niners to burn their 3 timeouts. He thought, no way a injured hand JG can drive the length of the field in a minute with no timeouts.

This^

Every damn HC in the NFL does the same thing in that situation…………..

Same complaining that he didn’t throw would be the same ones complaining if the pass was incomplete and McVay didn’t force them to use their last TO………

I disagree, I see other teams call at least one pass, especially when the offense is up by one score. They usually run three times when they are up by more than a score or the other team will get the ball back with a very little amount of time....like 30 seconds. I don't think they should have thrown on 3rd down, but on 1st or 2nd, a play action quick pass is what I was yelling at the tv for. Yes, definitely a risk with how Stafford is playing, but if you throw it in the middle of the field for 5-7 yards and get it, the odds of getting a 1st down in that series improves. Besides, the way our D was giving up chunks of yards, I just felt the Rams Defense might not hold up. It looks like McVay decided to trust the Defense and not Stafford and the Offense.

[HIhorns]

I thought that his strategy on the last drive in regulation was sound and I still think so. What head coach would've been thinking that his defense would collapse like that with a division title on the line at home?

Um, did you watch the game? The Defense gave up chunk plays starting at the end of the 2nd quarter. I normally have confidence in the Rams D at the end of the game, but I did not on Sunday at that moment. I don't think a coach can make decisions based on a formula all the time. Sometimes you have to go with your gut, and maybe he did, but my gut felt uncomfortable leaving the game in the Defense's hands.

[HIhorns]

I don't think he was so predictable this game. He ran the ball a lot- despite going nowhere. He was too conservative as we all know on the last drive. If Staff was hurt- at least run a play action. Those 3 runs were just uncalled for.

Anyone who thinks McVay was trying to move the ball on that last drive is nuts, he was scared to death of a Stafford turnover and basically gave up and handed the rest of the clock to the defense.

Even though the running game was ‘going nowhere’, Stafford performed much better while they were still mixing in runs because it kept the D honest.

Look at the Ram possessions in the collapse against the Niners:

From kickoff to 1st possession of 2nd half
16 runs for 32 yds
Stafford - 15 for 17, 152 yds, 2 TDs, 1 sack, 0 INTs

2nd and 3rd possession, 2nd half
No running plays
Stafford - 1 for 6, 24 yds, 1 INT, 2 sacks.

4th possession, 2nd half
Runs - 6 for 41
Stafford - 3 for 3, 40 yds, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 0 sacks.

Wow, if those figures are correct, then it paints a recurring picture. The Rams need to mix it up. I think McVay did obviously want to run the clock and get the 9ers to use their timeouts, but I also think he didn't trust Stafford to make a play at the end of the 4th quarter with the game on the line. In today's game, teams use the short quick pass game like the running game. Either McVay needs to make better adjustments at halftime or the Rams only play Stafford in the 4th Quarter.

[Rampager66]

So the 9ers get the ball out in 2-3 seconds and the Rams take longer because Sean wants chunk plays....
That's why they were on Staff all game and why we couldn't get sustained pressure on Grap.
I'd like to see Sean come up with a game plan similar to the one SF uses against us and get the ball out in 2-3 seconds... against them and to hell with the chunk plays...but will his ego allow it?

[HIhorns]

Is McVay immature or egotistical? I feel like he thinks he is a genius and can win a game passing every down. Once that scheme doesn't work, and the Rams get their teeth kicked in, then he returns to the run. It is almost like the fans and press have to remind him he has to run the ball sometimes and balance his offense. Maybe he is so busy being a genius, he looses sight of the bigger picture. He needs one coach to keep pulling him back off the field and a second coach to keep repeating "don't forget to run the ball" during the game.

[HIhorns]

So the 9ers get the ball out in 2-3 seconds and the Rams take longer because Sean wants chunk plays....
That's why they were on Staff all game and why we couldn't get sustained pressure on Grap.
I'd like to see Sean come up with a game plan similar to the one SF uses against us and get the ball out in 2-3 seconds... against them and to hell with the chunk plays...but will his ego allow it?

I agree we need a better short game. Thats all we had with Goff, but now we got a guy who likes to use the driver all the time. My question is, will it matter if we know other teams are throwing quick passes yet are playing way off the receivers and giving them completions without challenge?

[HIhorns]

I too am a glutton for punishment-bring on the 49ers for a third time-this time we crush them.......Then on to the NFC championship!!

I'm not saying that the 49ers are the cream of the NFL, but their strengths, by far over match the Rams weaknesses. The Rams were fortunate that the 9ers didn't start the game with the second half game plan or we're looking at a 9er blowout. With that said, I have zero confidence that the Rams can beat the 9ers, and if they did play in the NFC championship, the place would be thunderously loud.....with 9er fans

We aren't crushing the 49ers, and likely not beating them unless we do something different on defense. JimmyG is gonna throw those quick passes and if we continue to sit back in a soft zone, the same thing will happen. The 49ers still ran on us after the first quarter and a half, but they chose to pass more because they were down, and were successful there too. Defense needs to change, but not even sure we have to personnel to make the changes.

[NorCal RF]

This^

Every damn HC in the NFL does the same thing in that situation…………..

Same complaining that he didn’t throw would be the same ones complaining if the pass was incomplete and McVay didn’t force them to use their last TO………

I disagree, I see other teams call at least one pass, especially when the offense is up by one score. They usually run three times when they are up by more than a score or the other team will get the ball back with a very little amount of time....like 30 seconds. I don't think they should have thrown on 3rd down, but on 1st or 2nd, a play action quick pass is what I was yelling at the tv for. Yes, definitely a risk with how Stafford is playing, but if you throw it in the middle of the field for 5-7 yards and get it, the odds of getting a 1st down in that series improves. Besides, the way our D was giving up chunks of yards, I just felt the Rams Defense might not hold up. It looks like McVay decided to trust the Defense and not Stafford and the Offense.

Sorry but I don’t agree back. Not with that situation in a game………..

Everyone knew that the Niners would have to stop the clock by using those timeouts if they had any chance of getting the ball back. As the Rams you force them to use the timeouts and make them go the length of the field with again no timeouts. If they needed a FG to tie then maybe you do something different but not when they need a TD…………..

And again we saw the % of the Rams chances to win after they did what they did. 99.8% that they would win. Let that sit in on how epic the failure was by the Rams D on the last drive in the 4th…………

[Cornell29]

I disagree, I see other teams call at least one pass, especially when the offense is up by one score. They usually run three times when they are up by more than a score or the other team will get the ball back with a very little amount of time....like 30 seconds. I don't think they should have thrown on 3rd down, but on 1st or 2nd, a play action quick pass is what I was yelling at the tv for. Yes, definitely a risk with how Stafford is playing, but if you throw it in the middle of the field for 5-7 yards and get it, the odds of getting a 1st down in that series improves. Besides, the way our D was giving up chunks of yards, I just felt the Rams Defense might not hold up. It looks like McVay decided to trust the Defense and not Stafford and the Offense.

Sorry but I don’t agree back. Not with that situation in a game………..

Everyone knew that the Niners would have to stop the clock by using those timeouts if they had any chance of getting the ball back. As the Rams you force them to use the timeouts and make them go the length of the field with again no timeouts. If they needed a FG to tie then maybe you do something different but not when they need a TD…………..

And again we saw the % of the Rams chances to win after they did what they did. 99.8% that they would win. Let that sit in on how epic the failure was by the Rams D on the last drive in the 4th…………

Even Troy Aikman said it was a good move, and he questions Mcvay calls all the time. I remember when Stafford, on 3rd down, went out of the huddle to talk to Mcvay, and Troy said, he can't see the rams passing here and not making the niners use their last time out.

99.8 percent chance the rams would win. No way JG with a hurt finger should have been able.to drive the niners the length of the field, with no timeouts for a td, with around a minute left.

Rams D screwed up

[Rampager66]

So the 9ers get the ball out in 2-3 seconds and the Rams take longer because Sean wants chunk plays....
That's why they were on Staff all game and why we couldn't get sustained pressure on Grap.
I'd like to see Sean come up with a game plan similar to the one SF uses against us and get the ball out in 2-3 seconds... against them and to hell with the chunk plays...but will his ego allow it?

I agree we need a better short game. Thats all we had with Goff, but now we got a guy who likes to use the driver all the time. My question is, will it matter if we know other teams are throwing quick passes yet are playing way off the receivers and giving them completions without challenge?

Exactly... Offense and Stafford is not the problem...

[Commish]

And again we saw the % of the Rams chances to win after they did what they did. 99.8% that they would win. Let that sit in on how epic the failure was by the Rams D on the last drive in the 4th…………

Raheem Morris, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller missed a terrific opportunity by not heading to Las Vegas immediately after the game, then betting everything they had, given how incredibly proficient they had become at beating long odds.

"Blew a big-time chance there, guys...!!" :o 8-)

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[sanbagger]

I disagree, I see other teams call at least one pass, especially when the offense is up by one score. They usually run three times when they are up by more than a score or the other team will get the ball back with a very little amount of time....like 30 seconds. I don't think they should have thrown on 3rd down, but on 1st or 2nd, a play action quick pass is what I was yelling at the tv for. Yes, definitely a risk with how Stafford is playing, but if you throw it in the middle of the field for 5-7 yards and get it, the odds of getting a 1st down in that series improves. Besides, the way our D was giving up chunks of yards, I just felt the Rams Defense might not hold up. It looks like McVay decided to trust the Defense and not Stafford and the Offense.

Sorry but I don’t agree back. Not with that situation in a game………..

Everyone knew that the Niners would have to stop the clock by using those timeouts if they had any chance of getting the ball back. As the Rams you force them to use the timeouts and make them go the length of the field with again no timeouts. If they needed a FG to tie then maybe you do something different but not when they need a TD…………..

And again we saw the % of the Rams chances to win after they did what they did. 99.8% that they would win. Let that sit in on how epic the failure was by the Rams D on the last drive in the 4th…………

I agree....I'll admit I wanted them to get the 1st down by throwing on 3rd down, but I understood the reasoning and it was sound.

The Niners actually had 4 timeouts with like 2:30 left in the game and McV was able to burn them all and force the Niners to become one-dimensional...that is usually a recipe to win the win the game.Barring a total collapse of the defense, the Rams win the game....well, the Rams defense collapsed.

This was NOT a bad coaching decision this was players failing to execute....simple

[Rammo]

Stafford was on fire for most of this game-he just drove the team down for a go ahead score so if I'm the head coach I give Stafford at least one play to try and convert and end the game from the victory formation. That said it's still a colossal collapse from Raheem's defense and so obvious how bad his soft defense fits our defensive personnel.

[Cornell29]

Steve Young agrees that McVay should have given Stafford a shot to get a first down and win the game: https://www.knbr.com/2022/01/12/steve-y ... nszoPuWyNE

Troy Aikman during the game said that making the niners use all their timeouts was the right move. It just gave the rams a 98 plus percent chance of winning, that's all.

[toast49]

Rams defense lost the game. They didn't come out for the second half. On one drive they let the 9ers run it down their throat 9 or 10 straight times with little resistance. On the game tying drive they threw the ball every time into gaping secondary holes. It was a total defensive collapse.

[Commish]

Obviously the defense collapsed, but near the end the offense should have been more active to put it out of reach for SF. Instead McVay went passive.

Agreed!

Since our team's "D" had fallen apart just before the end of the first half, then had remained pathetically inept for 95% of the rest of the game, it was point-blank foolish to expect it to preserve the Rams' lead.

That "99.8% chance of winning" was based on the leading team fielding a halfway decent defensive unit, which didn't happen due to the ineptitude of Raheem Morris... :( :x :cry:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

[Cornell29]

Obviously the defense collapsed, but near the end the offense should have been more active to put it out of reach for SF. Instead McVay went passive.

Agreed!

Since our team's "D" had fallen apart just before the end of the first half, then had remained pathetically inept for 95% of the rest of the game, it was point-blank foolish to expect it to preserve the Rams' lead.

That "99.8% chance of winning" was based on the leading team fielding a halfway decent defensive unit, which didn't happen due to the ineptitude of Raheem Morris... :( :x :cry:

ram pathos...

--The Commish

That 99.8 didn't factor in Rapp covering grass most the time.