Should we have kept Goff?

[29TheBest]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Just hear me out.

No.

LMAO

At Stafford's worst moment, I still had more confidence in him than Goff. Those blunders in those 3 games were uncharacteristic

[RGtheFirst]

We lost three in a row…

We handed the Cards, arguably one of the, if not the best teams, their third loss in a row…

We win out and we have a shot at the division…

[chris]

I promise myself not to read any of this guys post or ever reply .Never again

[Rampager66]

I get the point about the capital spent on the trade.
The only way they would/should have kept Goff, the picks and the cap space would have been imo, for them to take a step back and live with Goff for one more year so they could get out of his deal less scathed. But that would have meant probably not challenging for squat this year and sucking up another disappointing season.
That isn't who McSnead are and here we are today...
Who knows how that would have worked out, It is what it is now.
GO RAMS!

[Rampager66]

I get the point about the capital spent on the trade.
The only way they would/should have kept Goff, the picks and the cap space would have been imo, for them to take a step back and live with Goff for one more year so they could get out of his deal less scathed. But that would have meant probably not challenging for squat this year and sucking up another disappointing season.
That isn't who McSnead are and here we are today...
Who knows how that would have worked out, It is what it is now.
GO RAMS!

Yep. On point and I agree.

Plus, the more I think about this, if we did keep Goff and then cut him loose this off season, who would we have gone after? Staff would have been traded somewhere else already. I also don’t see some awesome stand out QB in college this draft. We made the right move.

Especially if Staff plays like he did last ngt the rest of the season. This question won’t be brought up again.

There is talk that RW3 wants out of Seattle.. But LA wasn't on his list of teams he'd wave the no trade clause for...

[Cornell29]

[NorCal RF]

Yep. On point and I agree.

Plus, the more I think about this, if we did keep Goff and then cut him loose this off season, who would we have gone after? Staff would have been traded somewhere else already. I also don’t see some awesome stand out QB in college this draft. We made the right move.

Especially if Staff plays like he did last ngt the rest of the season. This question won’t be brought up again.

There is talk that RW3 wants out of Seattle.. But LA wasn't on his list of teams he'd wave the no trade clause for...

Wilson = .500 season……………

[Rampager66]

There is talk that RW3 wants out of Seattle.. But LA wasn't on his list of teams he'd wave the no trade clause for...

Wilson = .500 season……………

Really. You mean with our personnel or in General?
The guys never had a .500/losing season... 9 years but we're going to put an end to that on Sunday, imo..

[NorCal RF]

Wilson = .500 season……………

Really. You mean with our personnel or in General?
The guys never had a .500/losing season... 9 years but we're going to put an end to that on Sunday, imo..

Unless I was a team like Carolina or New Orleans, desperate for a QB, I wouldn’t want him……………..

Now 5 years ago………………

[Timking124]

Just hear me out before you all lose your minds.

Ok, been away for a while living life and doing life things. Got to thinking about just this subject.

What if we kept Goff?

Now, I wanted Goff gone. I was fed up with him. I know we needed to make a change, and almost everyone else in here thought this as well. Stafford is an absolute upgrade, thats not what I am trying to hit on here. But, lets look at something here...

If we had kept Goff, we would most likely be in the range of 9-8 or 10-7. With Stafford its looks like we could end up at 10-7 or 11-6 at best imo.

I wont repeat everything we gave up to secure Staff, for we all know it... but was getting the same record or a one more win w Staff, worth it?

I mean who really cares about win/loss, as long as we get into the playoffs and win. Thats the point of all this, so the jury is still out for me until we are in the playoffs. We will see how Staff and McVay do when we get there, for this is what counts.

But the point of this question is, if we do end up w the same records and lose in the first or second round of the playoffs as we did in 2020. Was it all worth it to secure Stafford? If we had kept Goff and got rid of him this offseason, we would be in a pretty good cap space AND have multiple draft picks for 2022 and beyond.

Again, this IS NOT a bash Goff thread, its simply a business question. Time will tell if we made the right choice of course. But if we lose 3 or 4 more games, barely squeak into the playoffs and go to Green Bay and lose again... Im sorry, but to me... It wasnt worth it. Im a Stafford fan, I was such a homer there for a while. I was all in. Still am to a point, but we need to beat good teams. Just beating Tampa this far into the season isn't strong evidence that we are a GREAT team.

Anyways... who knows right. Just spit balling here...

This post fails to realize the prime of our current players. Aaron Donald is 30, Kupp is 28, Jalen is 27, Woods is 29. We can't wait! If we would have stood pat and didn't do anything not only would we have needed a qb but also we would have wasted irreplaceable players.

How long does it take to replace an AD, Ramsey, Kupp, etc in a draft?

These are generational players that don't grow on trees and takes multiple drafts and multiple failed seasons to accumulate and develop.

[Rampager66]

Really. You mean with our personnel or in General?
The guys never had a .500/losing season... 9 years but we're going to put an end to that on Sunday, imo..

Unless I was a team like Carolina or New Orleans, desperate for a QB, I wouldn’t want him……………..

Now 5 years ago………………

I think he's still got lots left.
We may find out this off season, if the rumor is legit, how much interest there is...

[whatever]

1 game is 1 game and you never know what another player would have done. Stafford is a better player than Goff. Maybe we gave up an extra Tavon Austin. Maybe we gave up an extra Aaron Donald. It's done.

[Cornell29]

[NorCal RF]

Unless I was a team like Carolina or New Orleans, desperate for a QB, I wouldn’t want him……………..

Now 5 years ago………………

I think he's still got lots left.
We may find out this off season, if the rumor is legit, how much interest there is...

Oh there will be interest no doubt. I just don’t think he has a lot left……………

And I do think he is done in Seattle. Both need a new direction……………….

[Rampager66]

I think he's still got lots left.
We may find out this off season, if the rumor is legit, how much interest there is...

Oh there will be interest no doubt. I just don’t think he has a lot left……………

And I do think he is done in Seattle. Both need a new direction……………….

May be it for Pete Carroll if he goes...
Doubt he would want to be a part of a rebuild at his age...

[NorCal RF]

Oh there will be interest no doubt. I just don’t think he has a lot left……………

And I do think he is done in Seattle. Both need a new direction……………….

May be it for Pete Carroll if he goes...
Doubt he would want to be a part of a rebuild at his age...

I think they both go…………..

[RamPower]

Goff and McVay became a toxic combination. Goff was the one to be removed.

But this season still has a long way to go (real long I hope), so we shall still see. Last night's game was very encouraging as we enter the most important part of the regular season.

I still have faith in Stafford and the Rams. If Goff was here? That's a way less encouraging projection in my mind. Stafford here last year with that defense? I project that to have been a lot more of a successful season.

[luckenbill56]

I never blame a player for being over paid. If a GM over pays a contract the fault lies with the suits.

[Cornell29]

[Cornell29]

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[UtahRam]

This says more about the offensive line than the QB.

[Rampager66]

We should have kept Goff..... away from the big contract, never mind a year too early.... :(

[ocram23]

We should have kept Goff..... away from the big contract, never mind a year too early.... :(

that's funny away from the big contract. that is a huge reason why they got rid of him...the money they were paying him didn't warrant keeping him

[Rampager66]

We should have kept Goff..... away from the big contract, never mind a year too early.... :(

that's funny away from the big contract. that is a huge reason why they got rid of him...the money they were paying him didn't warrant keeping him

I know, but I wonder how things may have played out if they never re-upped him when they didn't have to, and waited.
They could have walked from him after 2020 or signed him for way less.

Perhaps they're in on Brady and he comes here instead of to TB.... who knows...
It is what it is now and Staff is looking better then Goff ever did.

[Rampager66]

I know, but I wonder how things may have played out if they never re-upped him when they didn't have to, and waited.
They could have walked from him after 2020 or signed him for way less.

Perhaps they're in on Brady and he comes here instead of to TB.... who knows...
It is what it is now and Staff is looking better then Goff ever did.

I believe Goff's agent was sort of putting the Rams on the spot, fresh off of a Super Bowl appearance and just look how hard it is to find your franchise QB. 9-10 teams would do just about anything for a new franchise QB right now. The Rams also didnt want to push the extension out, for they had worried if Goff had another stellar season, that they would get into a bidding war. This is everything I had read in the process.

This is why I started the thread, in retrospect.... was it the right move now that we are about done with the Reg season with Stafford. For me, it was the right move... and the one and only reason I believe this now, is that the Lions picked up most of his contract. Thank goodness they did... I mean that really saved us. How well Stafford has done is just extra in a way. The main reason again, is that we got out of that contract. Right now, we are not committed to Stafford after next season.

Which brings me to my next thread... 'Keep Stafford...?'

DP's bring you the team friendly contracts needed to help navigate the cap.... We'll have very few of them over the next few years and my fear is they will be stuck IMO overplaying and overpaying in the FA Market...
So they better get it now... I believe we have a shot with Staff now, that didn't exist with Goff any longer... he'd already taken his best shot..

[Rammer]

that's funny away from the big contract. that is a huge reason why they got rid of him...the money they were paying him didn't warrant keeping him

I know, but I wonder how things may have played out if they never re-upped him when they didn't have to, and waited.
They could have walked from him after 2020 or signed him for way less.

Perhaps they're in on Brady and he comes here instead of to TB.... who knows...
It is what it is now and Staff is looking better then Goff ever did.

Clearly, Stafford is better to have taking snaps at the moment but overall I am still on the fence about the whole expensive ordeal. There are so many things that they could have done differently. The contract amount; they could have franchised him; or had a one on one guru work with him instead of the impatient McVay; they could have just let him walk away, and who knows what would have happened? etc. Maybe the window for winning was too short for Goff here.. Maybe not. I just don't know.
Unlike Bradford though, I don't think this guy is a weenie or trying to steal money.. He takes abuse and just keeps bouncing back. Right now, I would rate him as middle of the road, not terrible. He seems to have a good attitude, is still relatively young, is tough, durable and more talented than most give him credit for. So unlike many here who think he totally sucks, I actually still think he can be a good starter again in the right situation. Maybe even top 8 or 9 with some work. We see glimpses of this, even this year with the lowly Lions. And dare I say it? but over the past month or so , he has actually looked pretty good. So, it is in there somewhere.

[Rampager66]

I know, but I wonder how things may have played out if they never re-upped him when they didn't have to, and waited.
They could have walked from him after 2020 or signed him for way less.

Perhaps they're in on Brady and he comes here instead of to TB.... who knows...
It is what it is now and Staff is looking better then Goff ever did.

Clearly, Stafford is better to have taking snaps at the moment but overall I am still on the fence about the whole expensive ordeal. There are so many things that they could have done differently. The contract amount; they could have franchised him; or had a one on one guru work with him instead of the impatient McVay; they could have just let him walk away, and who knows what would have happened? etc. Maybe the window for winning was too short for Goff here.. Maybe not. I just don't know.
Unlike Bradford though, I don't think this guy is a weenie or trying to steal money.. He takes abuse and just keeps bouncing back. Right now, I would rate him as middle of the road, not terrible. He seems to have a good attitude, is still relatively young, is tough, durable and more talented than most give him credit for. So unlike many here who think he totally sucks, I actually still think he can be a good starter again in the right situation. Maybe even top 8 or 9 with some work. We see glimpses of this, even this year with the lowly Lions. And dare I say it? but over the past month or so , he has actually looked pretty good. So, it is in there somewhere.

Absolutely Agree... Don't think he was ever going to be great but he is a gamer and has some tools... and in the right situation, with the right coaching, team mates....
I know this may sound far fetched but what a nightmare it would be if the Lions got it together and he led them to the SB that eludes the Rams....

[brasilrams]

Staff can throw a long ball very accurately . Just last game alone 2 bombs one to VJ and one to Kupp . Goff can't do that . Goff is limited to short and medium throws , when was the last time goff connected a 50 yard bomb ? Maybe back in 2018 ...... . Also , Staff turns the ball over MUCH less . Those are the main differences . ALso , when staff starts a game bad , he can shake it off and get better as the game progresses . If goff starts out bad , it is bad the entire game .

So , for those differences , I think it was worth the upgrade .

[FelixTheStonerCat]

This says more about the offensive line than the QB.

Cool. Completely disregard what he's done at QB.

[ocram23]

there are going to be a lot of QB's on the open mkt in the next couple of years. The QB draft next year is not good plus the Rams don't have a 1st rounder.

I would not give Stafford a massive contract